Religious debate number 23976

josh1231993 wrote:what i was stating a fact not passing judgement, i didnt mention you going to church, i said those going to church and following religion with devotion

but i follow religion with devotion.

KeeganDavis wrote:well, that makes it real? If I write a book, claiming Jim Poper was the son of god, and he destroyed giant alien demon bugs to save us all, then died so we could live on, and it lasts for thousands of years, does that make it real? Your proof is that the book says so?

Oh, the countless millions who have used that argument with no results... You're one of them now. Enjoy.

@ DW christians in general, i realised trying to convince them that they're wrong wont give any results, so i just ignore it now.

ah, most Christians, especially fundamentalists are misguided and are really only following the sheppard because ti seems easy.

proof of sight? Okay, god, I believe, struck down an army trying to arrest one of his apostles, like, three times, why doesnt god do anything at all now? Why isnt he striking down bad guys and giving apostles powers, why hasnt the pope killed swine flu? If its happened before, why has god suddenly become absent?

well good for you.

but in my opinion eventually all religion will proven as flase so im just going to accept it

KeeganDavis wrote:well, that makes it real? If I write a book, claiming Jim Poper was the son of god, and he destroyed giant alien demon bugs to save us all, then died so we could live on, and it lasts for thousands of years, does that make it real? Your proof is that the book says so?

i just thought of something. Try it. And in twenty years, tell me if people believe in this religion. Then tell me twenty years from that. Tell me how easy it is to start a religion. Go on, it's a challenge. If that is your argument/belief, then act on it.

KeeganDavis wrote:proof of sight? Okay, god, I believe, struck down an army trying to arrest one of his apostles, like, three times, why doesnt god do anything at all now? Why isnt he striking down bad guys and giving apostles powers, why hasnt the pope killed swine flu? If its happened before, why has god suddenly become absent?

i have two words for that: New Testament. Read it instead of asking ridiculous questrions that have already been answered

Yes, and replaced with a new one. Unless humanity evolves or something.

hey i never gave a time frame in twenty years there will those who are still worshipping false profits but say in 100 years there will be no religion

Well, I dont believe it, so maybe if i made some rediculous story i thought was real, it would work. And, you guys are kinda being the Romans right now, ya know, convicted me of my religion, next thing ya know you will be crucifying me son of god, btw that was a joke right there, im not serious,

before we continue with more debate topics of this nature, I think it;s only fair to give some advice. Learn about your opponent first. Don;t just rush in saying "this isn't true blah blah blah" and then try to take on someone who has done some homework. Because you only make yourself look like a babbling fool. The only person who is at least actually debating (aside from myself) is thingy. He seems to have at least some basic knowledge of religion.

josh1231993 wrote:hey i never gave a time frame in twenty years there will those who are still worshipping false profits but say in 100 years there will be no religion

have you studied history at all, even a little?

Yeah, some greek probably said that back then. But now here we are again, with christianity, islam and judaism. These religions will probably be disproved in one way or another, like the greeks, only to be replaced with an updated version.

Seriously, I dont have any basic knowledge of religion? Ive studied many religions, including ancient relgions, trying to find my own religion. My point is that you wont listen to me, Im stating, "scholars" and "proof of sight" have been used by other religions, hindu, muslim, freaking people saw Dragons for gods sake. People saw Bigfoot, even caught it on camera, does that mean bigfoots real? No, it doesn't. Until youve got jesus in a cryogenic chamber in front of me, I wont have proof.

well i apologise for having the belief that religion is b***ls**t, all religion does is start wars and cause death what is the point should we not move past this pettyness

but then again we all have a right to believe what we want and do what we want.

Wow, totally not what i just said with John Poper.

see, if you studied history at all, you would know everything goes in cycles. This isn't the first time religion has taken a "downfall". Take the Baroque period. People got away from religion and thought it was done for (especially Christianity) but here we are several hundred years later still thinking that all religion will disappear. Any study of history will show you that we always think and believe the same, and base our predictions on what we think. I look at history to make predictions and I can tell you, religion won't be gone in a hundred years. It would take the death of the entire universe for that to happen

KeeganDavis wrote:Seriously, I dont have any basic knowledge of religion? Ive studied many religions, including ancient relgions, trying to find my own religion. My point is that you wont listen to me, Im stating, "scholars" and "proof of sight" have been used by other religions, hindu, muslim, freaking people saw Dragons for gods sake. People saw Bigfoot, even caught it on camera, does that mean bigfoots real? No, it doesn't. Until youve got jesus in a cryogenic chamber in front of me, I wont have proof.

do you believe in some obscure form of micro organism, one you haven't seen in the microscope or with your own eyes before, but scientists have said exist?

But religon changes with time,so why does your religion become real? It doesnt make sense what your saying, your saying you believe something you know will change? How does that work. Everyone after us is wrong as well?

josh1231993 wrote:well i apologise for having the belief that religion is b***ls**t, all religion does is start wars and cause death what is the point should we not move past this pettyness

but then again we all have a right to believe what we want and do what we want.

you are so wrong. so so wrong. yes, i will admit there are religious wars all throughout history. But what about the war for oil *cough* i mean war against terror?

we dont have a belief in religion we have the belief in a higher power that shapes and defines our lives. we believe in this so we can have someone else to blame our mistakes on but in truth we made those mistakes.

KeeganDavis wrote:But religon changes with time,so why does your religion become real? It doesnt make sense what your saying, your saying you believe something you know will change? How does that work. Everyone after us is wrong as well?

no it doesn't, at least not a true religion. Our intererprewtation of the religion is what changes, and the interpretation is usually due to manipulation by people who don't like the religion *cough* JW* cough*

Christianity has been the same since day one. People think it has changed because there are two parts in the Bible. The New Testament is to reinforce the Old Testament, but is more direct rather then giving parables and little bed time storiees adnd things

Not really, I believe what I see. Belief comes with Proof, so unless I see it with my own eyes. I believe religion is in the eye of the beholder, that what you believe effects you on an individual basis. Everyone, even in the same religion, has there own conception of god, look at the different sects of christianity, even in those no one thinks of god in exactly the same way. So god has no form, so how can you say your god is the christian god, or Zeus, or Allah? How can you narrow your god to the father, the son, and the holy ghost?

josh1231993 wrote:we dont have a belief in religion we have the belief in a higher power that shapes and defines our lives. we believe in this so we can have someone else to blame our mistakes on but in truth we made those mistakes.

and that is exactly why i think you haven't done your homework. It's also why I think a lot of other Christians haven't done their homework either

war on terror war for oil that is true but that was only started because a religous extremist flew a plane into a couple of tall buildings, and bush used that as an excuse to get oil

josh1231993 wrote:war on terror war for oil that is true but that was only started because a religous extremist flew a plane into a couple of tall buildings, and bush used that as an excuse to get oil

but it's still not because of one religion against another. it's because bush wanted oil. Bush could've used anything as an excuse, and the keyword you used was extremists. Extremists are never right, not even cow tipping extremists

actually, yeah, christians dont blame god, we ask god for forgiveness for our wrongs, not his.

i havent done my homework do know what i didnt i religous studies i sat at the back listening to my ipod because i already know the truth.

there is no higher power we live once and once only there is no heaven or higher plane when we die there is nothing just darkness

Well, the middle east has been a hotspot of war for thousands of years, cause its the holy ground for multiple religions. And if it was Bush's fault, why are we still there? Are you admitting Obama is as corrupt as Bush? Wait...dont answer that...this is religious debate number 23976, not political debate number 23976. sorry.

so why are you alive now? and if you know the ultimate truth, why aren't you rich, have power, can do whatever you want?

i didnt say ultimate truth and i am alive by the simple facts of biology

Im out, this religious debate has gone too far for me, I'll sit it out now.

they always end up this way. it normally comes down to just DJ and I, and then we call it quits for the day and start again two months later

hahahaha awesome, you guys are cooler then i thought, no hard feelings of course, right?

hey we all have our own beliefs and we should persecute others for them

riiiigght? well, i suppose I'll close then and state one last thing. Death will be the ultimate answer, I just hope that we are all prepared for it because all we seem to be capable of doing is bickering about it. So, when death comes, we'll find out who was right.