Religious debate number 23976

i have no idea how that will be pretty anyway do you ever think when all humans die out and a new species becomes intelligent like us do you think the will well use our left over technology or put us in museams

i'm religious so that scenario won't happen so i don't have an answer

yes but doesnt your religon incorperate darwins theory and im sure it probally says humanity will die out but well all go to heaven or hell

I agree with DW, it won't happen.

God won't let us all be wiped out by aliens.

Well, unless they're Mexicans... In that case, oh crap!

leewatson1 wrote:yes but doesnt your religon incorperate darwins theory and im sure it probally says humanity will die out but well all go to heaven or hell

no, it refutes the idea of Darwinism and trust me, there are cold hard facts as to why Darwanism is incorrect. And you don't need to be religious to find them

leewatson1 wrote:yes but doesnt your religon incorperate darwins theory and im sure it probally says humanity will die out but well all go to heaven or hell

What does religion have to do with Darwins theory?

They're completely incompatible!

The bible says that the animals were created according to their kinds, and then humans were created.

Darwin says they evolved.

The guys that try to put evolution and religion are people pleasing idiots!

yes i know darwins theory has its flaws but a non corporial being creating a whole planet never mind a universe in 7 days i will say thou i belive there may be a being made of energy thats what i call it but to you that may be god. and DJ i know religons that have accept his ideas and combined them

Sure, but not true Christian ones.

A true Christian religion is one that has all of it's doctrines derived from the bible, and in full harmony with the bible.

Don't you agree?

i agree ok lets stop now before we go to deep into religon

Ohh... scary!!!

I do it every day.

Anyways, hats off for those who have died in WW2.

yes about that you go round the doors all day preaching do you get many threats or much abuse?

to be honest if a preacher came to my door id shut it in his face

im not that rude ill say thanks but im not intrested and hten close the door

its not rude its just my belief that its a load of b*@$"ks and i would go round forcing that on others so why should they force it down my throat

i do see your point

but if dj likes doing that then thats his choice

Darkwing wrote:

leewatson1 wrote:yes but doesnt your religon incorperate darwins theory and im sure it probally says humanity will die out but well all go to heaven or hell

no, it refutes the idea of Darwinism and trust me, there are cold hard facts as to why Darwanism is incorrect. And you don't need to be religious to find them

Actually, there's no hard proof for creationism, but alot of proof for darwin's theory.

And yes, it's very sad. 73 million people died because of a mentally challenged moron... But i dont think it'll happen again in the coming decades, if not the coming century. Everyone knows what happened last time, and how bad it'll be if it happens again.

@Josh You're lucky if you even can shut the door before you're holding that bible... Last time a preacher came, he did a bible drive by. I opened the door, he said some stuff about the swedish church, handed me a bible and said bye! Welcome to the swedish church! You should try that DJ, it's effective.

yea i wouldnt tell somebody to not be religous everyone has there right to belive wat they want

what so if i started worshipping the hippo monster no one would have a problem

leewatson1 wrote:yes about that you go round the doors all day preaching do you get many threats or much abuse?

Sure!

I was almost mauled by a dog 3 days ago.

And I've had people point guns at me, shout, scream, etc.

It's not so bad once you get used to it.

It always has it's benefits.

For example, there's a guy one year older than me that is changing his life to become a JW.

And there's a woman I know that is becoming a JW, even though her husband beats her for it. And since she ran away with her baby from Dallas, she's come up against everything.

When she came here, she had no money, so she decided to stay in a homeless shelter downtown, in which she unfortunately was raped by a hobo.

She now is living with a JW family, and is attending all of the meetings.

Oh, and she uses an alias, since she's hiding from her psycho control freak husband.

Hey, she got away from him, and she's happier than ever before!

No one has seen her smile until she set foot in the kingdom hall.

She says she's never been happier!
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We also get to conduct many bible studies.

I just went on one last Sunday with one of my friends from the congregation.

The person we're studying with is a bit mentally off, but I know he's sincere.

He's really smart, but bipolar disorder sometimes holds him back. (He also has many other issues)

He's super nice, but the members of his church treat him like crap because of his disabilities.

We've been studying with him for months, and have finally gotten him to understand that we sincerely care about people, who they are, and that we look past their disabilities, and that we study the bible, and apply it to our lives.

He sees how happy we are, and he wants that happiness too.

He's now starting to attend our meetings.

So, the ministry has many rewards.

To be able to see people change, and have their lives turned for the better is more satisfying than anything I've ever done.

wow looks like becoming a JW really helped that woman i feel so sorry for her i can see how the rewards outweigh the risk.

josh1231993 wrote:to be honest if a preacher came to my door id shut it in his face

Aww...

leewatson1 wrote:im not that rude ill say thanks but im not intrested and hten close the door

Much better!

josh1231993 wrote:its not rude its just my belief that its a load of b*@$"ks and i would go round forcing that on others so why should they force it down my throat

We don't force it down throats. That would make people choke!

If you aren't interested, just say so. Be polite.

Thingy wrote:

Darkwing wrote:

leewatson1 wrote:yes but doesnt your religon incorperate darwins theory and im sure it probally says humanity will die out but well all go to heaven or hell

no, it refutes the idea of Darwinism and trust me, there are cold hard facts as to why Darwanism is incorrect. And you don't need to be religious to find them

Actually, there's no hard proof for creationism, but alot of proof for darwin's theory.

And yes, it's very sad. 73 million people died because of a mentally challenged moron... But i dont think it'll happen again in the coming decades, if not the coming century. Everyone knows what happened last time, and how bad it'll be if it happens again.

@Josh You're lucky if you even can shut the door before you're holding that bible... Last time a preacher came, he did a bible drive by. I opened the door, he said some stuff about the swedish church, handed me a bible and said bye! Welcome to the swedish church! You should try that DJ, it's effective.

Well, think about it.

Anyone can read a bible. But to understand what it says, and to be able to apply it to your life is another thing.

That's why we don't just hand out bibles on the street.
(Don't get me wrong though, if you ask for one, you'll get one. XD)

We can be brief in our presentations though. For example, pertaining to our special campaigns, like our district convention invitations, we move quickly to cover our territories.

But, we always try to follow up with the people we talk to.

After all, our main goal is to start bible studies.

no but the preachers in my area are like vulchers if your in then they come and talk to you wether you like it or not my mum actually left the house one time when she saw preachers in our road

Well, are they Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, or what?

Regardless of what denomination, how do you think they're able to tell weather you want them to talk to you or not from a distance?

BTW, if you stay in the house and hide, we know you're there.

(X-ray vision, for real!)

We actually have a category for people that hide on our "not at home" slips.

We call them HBHs "Home But Hiding".

Darkjedi wrote:
That's why we don't just hand out bibles on the street.
(Don't get me wrong though, if you ask for one, you'll get one. XD)

Real Bibles translated from the original Roman and Hebrew languages, or the JW equivalent to the Bible?

Well, it could happen, I suppose. I don't remember it being refuted in the bible.

what could happen?

Sorry, I missed the last page.

But I have read the whole topic now. and I suppose I'm 'no proper Christian' then. Because I certainly don't hide my head in the sand and ignore the theory of evolution.

im not even sure what i am i think it called agnostic or something

You are aetheist. Don't believe in religion, full stop.

Splitting topic, btw.

i don't ignore it, i address it as impossible. i research it. i don't hide

no i believe in religion as long as their is hard evidence not just some book telling me to believe in the hippo monster

i agree. i wouldn't just believe in any old religion without research beforehand.

when i went to church(very rarely) as a child i always thought what if they are making it all up what if there is no higher power or whatever, maybe it was their idea of a joke

i even don't go to church myself due to religious conflicts with how and what they're teaching

Hmm.. This might infuriate some people, but I'm going to say it.

Science and the Christian religious beliefs go hand in hand. In the beginning, science states that the world was a big ball of fire (In the Beginning there was darkness.) Then there was water on the planet (God Created the Seas and the Sky). But as to evolution (Or so called Darwin's Theory), God has no face, no actual being, seeing as there is no interpretation of him, only of Jesus. Though that can be attributed to one to the 10 Commandments. This being the case, God could be referred to as an amoeba or something of the size, and we came about through evolution as the seas receeded. Though the fact that Adam and Eve may have lived, I honestly don't believe that. Cuase the Tower of Babel incident, God had cursed each person in turn to speak a different language, how is it that so many spread out, to other continents even? Pangea had Dinosaurs. Also don't forget the 4.6 BILLION year gap between the Earth's creation and the Dawn of Man.

And thus is why I hate/loathe organized religion. I do things my own way.

I believe the Old Testament to be a book of fables - not necessarily true, but to teach people the rights and wrongs. I also believe that some parts of it have certainly been changed by people.

terra is sort of right, but has missed some points. i don't have time now to go into detail, but i promise i will later. as for the old testament being about fables, that isn't true. it is written from a more primitive state of man, but influenced by the spirit as well, so still it isn't doctrinally flawed. the stories that did happen in th old testament, happened in real life (there is archeological proof of it BTW) including a layer in the dirt that indicates a period of great water at roughly the time the story of the ark is supposed to take place. like i said, i'll go into details later on, right now i have stuff i need to do

yes but after how many years before printing there were no origials i bet the very first bible will be much diffrent to what it is today and another few hundred years it will have changed again

I don't think it will change much after us, because there are now so many people who will scrutinise new editions. But I will wait to see DW's interpretation.

actually, it hasn't changed too mch at all over the last several hundred/thousand years. i mean, you'll get a better understanding if you can read hebrew and roman as that is mostly what the bible is written in. what changes is translations, they're constantly trying to find different ways of making it easier for common folk to understand what exactly the Bible is saying. I can get into deuteronimical editors later too if you wish to know more about the translation/history

you make a good argument DW now please join chat im all alone

I'm officially Methodist but I believe in my own way which is possibly (and probably) wrong. Anyway here is my beliefs.

I believe that God,Allah,Yahwe (whatever the Jews call God) are the same, but have different beliefs on how God rules and what His rules are. Plus the fact that Peoples' belief on God are always changing.

Here is my belief on how the universe was created. God created the universe through science. Science is God's universal construction tool and is how the universe (God's domain) is still running by. The 7 days theory is, by my knowledge, incorrect and obsolete to the times. He has also probably created millions/billions of alien and earthly creatures so he has to keep track of these so he can't just look over us all the time.

Here is my views on Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and other religions. Each religion was created to explain God's ways in their period of time and region. Each religion has something right but also has alot of stuff wrong. We, as mortals, can't explain God's ways so we interprit through divine intervention, natural occurence, and other stuff.

Also who created religion? God? He dosen't need a religion because he is the divine. So it was man who created religion so as man is corrupted so will their/our ideas. So religion is corrupt although we tend to think our version of religion fits for everything. It actually only fits to nothing but what we think of life. Man can create their own version of religion or can adopt another man's religion.

The greatest gift God could ever have givin us is choice. Our morels guide our choices through life and our choices define who we are. God makes his own choices but we don't know what those choices are, we can't because He's/She's/It's God.

I have probably left some things out and this will evidently offend some of you. Just remember each of us has our own opinions.

ah, one of those. the type classified as people who feel a need for something in their soul, but are uncertain as of what they need. they ultimately decide religion, but seeing as they are uncertain, they choose all of them. I can tell you for certain, God is not that same being worshiped in each religion. Each religion worships a God/Gods, but they are not the same

oh, and if you want me to prove that, that would be a very lengthy and doctriniley heavy task, as of which i admit I am not certain if i am capable of doing. it could take weeks and maybe months of studying and preparation, as I woul basically have to teach you everything I know about Christianity, to prove that they are not the same God

I agree to disagree.

ok....? I'm just saying that if you really want to know why, I suppose I should give it a try, but like I said, it is a very, very large task to undertake

Darkwing wrote:

Darkjedi wrote:
That's why we don't just hand out bibles on the street.
(Don't get me wrong though, if you ask for one, you'll get one. XD)

Real Bibles translated from the original Roman and Hebrew languages, or the JW equivalent to the Bible?

LOL

So which bible do you prefer anyways?

the real ones naturally. though i do wish i could read roman. apparently my dad used to be able to read basic roman back when he was in college