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Post by Admiral Vortar 2008-03-17, 20:41

Are there more intelligent races?
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Post by Philly Homer 2008-03-17, 20:46

As vast as the universe is, it would be highly unlikely that there's not any other intelligent life in the universe. They probably would look nothing like us, though.
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Post by Admiral Vortar 2008-03-17, 21:13

I just want to move to another planet im getting bored with this one.
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Post by Philly Homer 2008-03-17, 21:18

Hah, well if you can stay alive until we develop ships that can go to Mars and make it habitable, then that could just be accomplished.
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Post by Admiral Vortar 2008-03-17, 21:21

Yeah illl freeze myself in a freezer and preserve myself till that age comes.
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Post by mokhrahikim 2008-03-17, 23:09

Freeze yourself?
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Post by stewi0001 2008-03-17, 23:20

yes there is life out there. Cool
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Post by mokhrahikim 2008-03-17, 23:22

Gotta agree with stewi...
I think there other life...we didn't just see them yet...

"Too primitive"
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Post by Jtull 2008-03-18, 00:32

lol it would be cool if there was a federation. lol!
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Post by mokhrahikim 2008-03-18, 03:47

Yeah, the "United Federation of Planets" is cool!
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Post by Admiral Vortar 2008-03-18, 03:48

Yeah it would be good if there was fed plus there has to be life out there because we cant be the life in the uncharted universe.
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Post by Shemuel 2008-03-19, 17:02

No offence, but you're just about as likely to be brought back to life from a photo than from being frozen. Either you end up as a pulp if you're frozen slowly, or you'd be dry as a bone if you were quick frozen. The worst thing though is that most people who get frozen end up in the ground a few years later beacause the company goes bankrupt-its one of the least secure jobs
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Post by Trekkieenterprise 2008-05-01, 18:33

theres tons of life out there... bacteria.
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Post by Shemuel 2008-05-01, 18:35

If there is intelligence out there it probably is millions of light years away and we won't be able to reach it
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Post by Philly Homer 2008-05-01, 19:27

If you think there's no possibility of life elsewhere in the galaxy, you're either a die-hard fundamentalist or just an idiot.
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Post by Liljenborg 2008-05-01, 19:57

Or perhaps you're a mathematician who's calculated the all the factors necessary for life to exist in any given solar system exceeds the number of stars in the universe by a factor of 10.
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Post by Trekkieenterprise 2008-05-01, 22:10

well giving the distance from the sun by x, the certain way of calculating the size of the sun and the distance from the sun, theres a mathematical value of the distance. witch in English means that there has to be a certain distance from a certain sized sun to inhabit intelligent life.
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Post by me naam is m 2008-05-02, 17:05

nah. not really. it's just all chances. there are ∞, infinite, solar-like stars in this universe. and, you don't even need a solar-like star to have life, so, even if the chance that life develops around a solar-like star is 1/∞, the chance that it DOES happen is:
∞*(1/∞) = ∞/∞ = 1.
or, in other words, IT'S OUT THERE.

somewhere... Twisted Evil
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Post by Darkjedi 2008-05-02, 17:09

If there is a place out there with life, then it's probably heaven. LOL!!!!! (But I think that heaven is probably in another dimension, or something. Just a theory.)
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Post by Earthdeath 2008-05-02, 20:13

wouldnt it be ironic if heaven was meant to be earth, but it went wrong?
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Post by Philly Homer 2008-05-03, 00:40

Well, while we're now on the topic of religion and dogma, I'll answer that question. That statement in itself is a contradiction, because God created everything, right? And God is infallible, right? If so, then there can't be "wrong" and we subjectively view it as such.
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Post by Liljenborg 2008-05-03, 08:03

wouldnt it be ironic if heaven was meant to be earth, but it went wrong?

But that's what happened. God created an Edenic paradise and put mankind in charge of maintaining and building it. But man wanted to be his own god -define for himself what was good and evil- and that screwed it all up. Yeah, God took a risk giving humanity free will (that's how a perfect, infallible God can create a world that can go wrong), but God didn't want slaves. He wanted friends who would return His love with love. Love is not an emotion (a fact the Vulcans never understood). Love is a choice, and act of the will, to consider someone else's best interests ahead of our own. So God took the risk of giving us the power to reject Him in order to give us the power of freely accepting Him.

Heaven isn't someplace "up there" where we exist only as some sort of spirit or something amongst the clouds. Heaven is this world and this universe with all the stuff mankind's sin broke all fixed up (and, hopefully some way around that pesky c speed limit).
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Post by Liljenborg 2008-05-03, 08:54

me naam is m wrote:nah. not really. it's just all chances. there are ∞, infinite, solar-like stars in this universe. and, you don't even need a solar-like star to have life, so, even if the chance that life develops around a solar-like star is 1/∞, the chance that it DOES happen is:
∞*(1/∞) = ∞/∞ = 1.
or, in other words, IT'S OUT THERE.

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Actually there is not an infinite number of stars in the universe, and only around 2% of the stars are likely to have planets (about 94% of all the galaxies we can see in the universe don't have any elements heavier than helium, and of the rest around half the stars are in binary and trinary groups that would discourage the formation of debris disks that would eventually form into planets) Scientists estimate that there are a maximum of 10E22 (1 with 22 zeros after it - how do you superscript in BBS code?) planets, and thats assuming that every potentially planet bearing star has 9 or 10 planets like our sun does. And though you may have heard that the sun is just an average star in a rather average galaxy, the sun is actually a rather exceptional star. It's one of the most stable stars that we know of, with the most stable galactic orbit of any star we can measure. Its far enough away from the center of the galaxy and from the dense spiral arms to avoid exposure to destructive levels of cosmic radiation. It's nowhere near any major supernovas, neutron stars, or nebula. It's not even all that close to any other stars.

Then you get into all the conditions you would need on a planet to support carbon based life (like the presence of enough carbon in the first place - and all the other elements, like phosphorus, iron, and nitrogen needed for life), the existence of liquid water - that is exactly the right orbit to keep all the water from freezing or boiling off, a stellar neighborhood with enough radiation to promote the formation of organic compounds - but not too much to destroy them . . .

The probabilities of habitable planets (not planets where life HAS formed - that gets into a whole other list of variables - just planets that could support life) drop quite quickly. And that number includes the known universe, not just our Milky Way galaxy.

Personally I'd love to find another world with sentient beings living on it. It would be cool to hear their thoughts on life in other parts of the universe and God and "Life, the Universe, and Everything".
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Post by leewatson1 2008-05-03, 09:34

thers got to be inteligent life out there (i dont belive in good as science is to reliable)other wise its a huge waste of space i belive in othe dimensoins and that stuff but thers basic life on mars so there must be more intelligent life out there watch the skies
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Post by Philly Homer 2008-05-05, 20:16

Wait, I just realized the title of this thread... Doesn't have to necessarily mean intelligent, humanoid life. It could simply mean bacteria or the like, in which, there is a much higher probability.
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Post by Shemuel 2008-05-06, 15:35

Well, according to NASA, there is bacteria on the moon, but they're not sure as the sample may have been contaminated.
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Post by Jtull 2008-05-06, 18:40

hey its america they got a contaminated sample. Cool
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Post by Trekkieenterprise 2008-05-08, 23:30

i wonder what moon dust tastes like.....
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Post by stewi0001 2008-05-09, 01:31

I bet it causes cancer if you eat it Razz
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Post by Jerome Star 2008-05-09, 11:47

Well, despite mathematical calculations being a good tool for scientists, unless we have actually seen every planet in the galaxy, there's no way to actually KNOW how many planets out there have life on them, if any. We can predict, but we can not know unless we look and see. Although there is such a thing as true belief in the existence of aliens (yeah, the 'abductees' we call them), there is no cold, hard proof that they have been to earth, much less actually exist. Just a bunch of people that suddenly relive incidents through hypnosis, which is quite a fallible way of extracting 'lost memories'.

Although I would like to try hypnosis if not just to explore my dreams in a half-conscious state. Imagine being underwater at night with some kind of giant eel/snake thing looking to kill you, but as in most dreams you can't do anything... Like, you're stuck unable to move but the other thing can move all it wants... I hate that, so being in a half-conscious state gives me a little more control. But that's generally what hypnosis is, putting someone in a half-dream, half-conscious state. And these 'abductions' are probably just dreams based off of hearing or reading anything with aliens in it =P

As for intelligent life, there really could be one out there. Until we've seen every planet that exists in the entire universe (which I highly doubt would happen, but still hope!), there's nothing but predictions telling me there is no intelligent life out there, but until I get the actual facts, I'm remaining a little open-minded about the subject. But I highly doubt they've visited earth, because as I said... Hypnosis is unreliable.
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Post by Earthdeath 2008-05-09, 13:12

there could be intellegent life really close to us, but just hiding itself with technology.
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Post by leewatson1 2008-05-09, 13:36

yea we cant be the most intelligent beings i the gaxy
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Post by Philly Homer 2008-05-09, 17:35

Intelligent is the conjecture now, eh? With America spewing nonsense like beer commercials and Family Guy, you can't exactly say we are that intelligent, you know.
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Post by Jerome Star 2008-05-10, 11:27

Alkanosis wrote:Intelligent is the conjecture now, eh? With America spewing nonsense like beer commercials and Family Guy, you can't exactly say we are that intelligent, you know.

Hehe, Alka has a point, you know! But intelligent or not, there could be life out in the universe. But if we humans find out, we'll probably suddenly do something stupid like kill the first alien that lands on the planet, or our military will, whichever comes first XP Then our future will be more like a mixture of the 'perfect' universe and the mirror universe... Only difference? No one-world government. Just lots of human factions fighting for territory in space and probably dragging aliens into it, hurting them and ourselves, and in the end causing mankind's destruction at the hands of aliens <-that's actually the setting for a roleplay I once made XD
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Post by Hades 2008-05-10, 11:32

What you just said reminds me of a Sci-fi, though I can't put my finger on it...
I know there is more life outside of the galaxy intellegent or not.
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Post by Philly Homer 2008-05-10, 12:52

You don't "know" that. There is simply a probability of there being extraterrestrial life; you can't say for certain even if there is a 99.9% chance that there is.
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Post by Admiral Vortar 2008-05-12, 01:51

Its just we havent got the technology to explore deep into space.
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Post by Philly Homer 2008-05-12, 21:42

Or the fact that visual evidence is everything, especially in this case. Don't try to tell me about the "bacteria" that came from Mars; that could be anything. I need visible, indisputable proof that extraterrestrials exist, otherwise it's just a theory, albeit a highly likely one given the circumstances of our universe.
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Post by Earthdeath 2008-05-13, 16:11

what if life can live on planets humans wouldnt think of searching because we cant survive there. eg:sun, planets with no atmosphere, ect.
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Post by leewatson1 2008-05-13, 17:06

as life can adapt to extreme conditions just becouse we cant live there deosnt mean other life can take the breen for example we couldnt live on the breen homeworld
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Post by Philly Homer 2008-05-13, 18:57

Alkanosis wrote:I need visible, indisputable proof that extraterrestrials exist

I hate to play the part of the fundamentalist skeptic, but in this case, I must. Quite frankly, I don't care about your speculations and conjectures. I want solid, indisputable proof. I know someone is going to say that I am contradicting a post that I, myself, posted earlier in this topic, but that was just speculation on my part. I am done with being the optimist.

@Lee Watson- Oh, are you saying that the Star Trek races exist in real life, now?

The bottom line? Prove that extraterrestrials exist. Until then, I am going to just be a fundamentalist skeptic.

P.S. No Mars bacteria crap. That "bacteria" could be anything; it doesn't have to be life, in other words.
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Post by Shemuel 2008-05-13, 19:11

By the way, finding life on another planet should have no implications on your faith. God never mentioned other life, but he never said it wasn't there.
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Post by Philly Homer 2008-05-13, 19:55

I know, which is precisely why I need proof of the existence of extraterrestrial life, not speculations-and-conjecture-galore about extraterrestrial life.

@My Faith- You're right. In the long run, it matters not even if they do exist, it's just all proof of God's glory in creation, right?
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Post by Earthdeath 2008-06-07, 19:52

what do you think humans would do if they discovered another race of humans on a similar world? i think some tw*t like george bush or gordon brown would declare war.and lose.and declare again.lose.declare.human race extinct.
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Post by Shemuel 2008-06-08, 08:12

I think they would bankrupt their countries by trying to build a rail link between each other
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Post by Earthdeath 2008-06-08, 08:50

id laugh if they all had a cockney accent (london)
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