Aliens

Whee. Just to point out a few things, I don't necessarily believe aliens have visited earth, but I see no reason to disbelieve their existence. But a lot of pictures and videos have me skeptical. A lot of them LOOK real, but then a lot of things can be done with modern technology. Check out Species 8472. If you saw a picture of that in the 1960s, you'd have a flying fit.

Just wanted to start a thread where it would be fun to discuss theories (fictional or otherwise) and such. I've read about them before and tried to put together a single collective source of information. Is there anything similar in people's stories of alien encounters? Groups of people would have to have similar stories to share, but perhaps by collecting together that information we can come up with a common story!

And good god, if someone tells me to get a life again, I'll make sure you're the first one to be torched when I take over the world. I have a big life basically surrounding college, and I'm taking psychology and philosophy (been taking it for the last year). So maybe you'll back off when I say this is for the study of both, as it does seem to be relevant to both sciences right now (without world-wide proof)

Here we go. Some of my favorite 'ET encounters' on video. The first one is an alien encounter behind Bush as he does a speech. They say it can't be a reflection due to a shadow being cast over it. I say it's bad window paneling and people's minds just immediately compare it to an alien form. Same with that face-shaped mountain found on Mars. Bah. Second is the famous 'alien interview' which was supposedly recorded in Area 51. I doubt it could be real (despite the fact it was a MUCH better done attempt than many others) My reasoning behind this is simple: If the government has allowed such a video to be all over the net and such, then it most likely isn't real. Of course, reverse psychology could be in use here in order to make us less suspicious of them, but it's not like we're going to get much more suspicious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O88tqxdMZqU&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf19L6DjnTQ&feature=related

Ugh, the voice in the second video (obviously fake) hurts my head. I can only watch it once because of that. Why didn't he just shut up? But whatever, he's 'giving away' information. And whether true or false, it's interesting enough to write a fictional story on! XD (it looks very similar to the Asgard, don't you think?)

Enjoy!

i think there are more fakes than people on the earth.Did you see the one about the alien walking past the window?Not the one with bush, it was on yahoo not that long ago.
Have you seen this?its obviously a fake, but its funny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWqI0U3pBdA&feature=related

yeah, but its easy to see how it fooled some people.

As I commented on the video, if it was actually there, wouldn't SOMEBODY see it and start screaming, thus interrupting their little meeting? And wouldn't the news agencies notice it before putting it up? XD

"But maybe they were all being hypnotised....."

LOL. There is no way to disprove it to people who say there are aliens, as there could be any reason. Like religion in a way.

You would figure so, yeah. And I still swear that while that alien in the second video moves a little bit more like... Well, sorta like a puppet but sorta like the Asgard did in Stargate. Whilst still easily fake, it's a lot harder to think of it as a hostile alien cause it just looks like one of those tiny little Asgard

Bah, the worst fakes are UFO sightings. I don't even bother watching many of those. I just like the idea that people are giving about a galactic federation where (finally) the human's aren't a central force. Rather, we are more or less just in the way of somebody's trade route and we get lucky enough to capture some of these stuff alive. Of course, I don't believe it to be true, but what story material it makes! I can see where the Asgard come from: That alien in the second vid above. And a lot of Stargate's ideas as an underground facility are like the conspiracy theories, though nothing as sinister as world domination. I doubt the government is working towards that... But I wouldn't be surprised if a force like the Illuminati (who could very well exist I'm afraid) were allied with aliens whose logic revolved around the destruction of humans before they get too advanced.

Ever since the US has finally acknowledged Area 51 as an 'Air Force operation base', it hasn't gotten too much attention. But rather people see it being connected to 'Dulce base', another freaky Area 51-like base although many believe it not to exist, and the government continues to deny it. I rather see why if we really did have aliens in our labs and such, because 1) people would freak out of if they found out, and 2) people (and the government itself most likely) will ask too many questions and slow down progress. If it was true that the advanced tech we're using to build our craft in Area 51, then yeah, that's a good reason to say it doesn't exist, that and to keep the enemy from knowing.

Some of the ideas are amazingly scary, and as per many sci-fis I'm certain it would be a fun story to come up with. Some people believe that Dulce has a huge underground segment that goes down 7 levels (almost like Stargate). Humans, especially of the security division, have to work with reptilian aliens and the common 'grey' as they trade the chance for the aliens to 'abduct' humans or at least mutilate the cows (by using them to remove organs and tissue from) and in return the humans get technology. The grey they believe actually has malicious intent due to their 'specieism' (sort of like a form of species racism) towards humans and our illogical actions. The reptilians see us as nothing but a bowl of crap and extremely distrust us.

I especially think an idea for a story could be taken from the theories regarding a war between the reptilians and the grey. Each species has a small underground operating location where we humans set up this EMP field to keep them from ever escaping the planet. Though their technology isn't affected, supposedly their engines were. Of both species? Though another theory thinks the reptilians were sent here as 'peaceful' representatives of another planet, so they may be in an underground base by choice. Anyways, outside in the corridors humans cannot speak to any of the aliens, and unless your a scientist you are not likely to speak to any of them in a friendly way. Just professional.

Level 4 is supposed to be the 'alien residence' level which is restricted to all humans. Though I have to wonder, if there are two aliens and they intensely hate one another, why would they be on a level together? It doesn't say anything in particular about it, so I can only assume that all 'aliens' would be put there. Then level 5 or 6 is supposed to be 'nightmare hall', where people are held against their will in cages and the like for genetic and alien experiments. Then the lowest level is supposed to be the size of Manhattan, a large underground hangar of alien craft.

Now, here's my question. If the people working at these places seem to intent on killing you if you pass a certain line, what makes you think they're going to let aliens abduct you? Seriously, it's funny... What good is a corpse? Wouldn't they get all they could get? Or do they use some sort of tazer to knock us out XP

Alas, these theories all seem too rooted in stories and such. But it stretches the imagination and makes me really want to write a story based off the subject. I bet many sci-fi authors have said the same thing XD

The thing that gets me is that it's always the Sci-fi reading countries, esp. America who see 80% of these supposed 'sightings'


And illuminati do exist. That's people who pass through university- illumini

do the illuminati do anything about the terrorists?

ok.What do you think would happen if they went public?

No, I mean the people who pass degrees and leave universities are just called illumini, not actually people who rule the world as part of a secret syndicate

I find it easier to believe the Illuminati (or Patriots as Metal Gear Solid actually called it) than the United States government preparing to begin a New World Order. I know everyone thinks far right conservatives would try and make a one-world government, but in reality I'm sure they'll just change their country's government to something more totalitarian (like V for Vendetta). Part of my reasoning behind this is that I think the Anti-Christ will have to have a power base from which he would have enough loyal people to help him take over the US government (he'd probably do that first, though there's no saying exactly where he'd strike first).

Also, if you think about it, the existence of these aliens would actually be beneficial to the Anti-Christ's plot. See, when Christians begin disappearing, people are going to be wondering what's happened to them, probably blaming it on some sort of conspiracy. Then, in order to solidify his power, the Anti-Christ could release these aliens into public, causing them to attack and make people actually blame the Christian's disappearance on those aliens. Then, when governments start falling, the Anti-Christ will offer his leadership in order to 'unite us as one species' (uniting humanity under one banner) against a common foe. Then when he wins out, people will be so grateful and will look up to him so much that he really WOULD solidify his control. And due to the oddity of the passages in Revelation, almost anything is possible.

I dunno, it all just makes sense and fits together so well. Can't say for certain that aliens are real, but if they were it's one more possibility for the Anti-Christ's uprising.

Okay, I vote we ignore that speech. No offence.

? What for? I thought this was a place you were SUPPOSED to speech out your opinions. Don't like it, don't read it. But I've got a freedom of speech, and I will utilize it. Once again, don't like it, TOO BAD.

Oh no, I'm not saying that. I'm saying it's a rather large supposition, that's all.

Well, I dunno if I stated this above or not, but really the supposition of aliens even existing isn't my own. I was saying that IF they did, it could work. If they don't, then somehow or the other I believe the Anti-Christ will find some way.

By the way, are you George Bush incarnated?

in dont think he is, but im hitler reincarnated.

How the hell can I be Bush reincarnated when Bush isn't dead? Wait, don't answer that question.

he wont be alive for much longer if you ask me to "take out the trash".

LOL!



Hehehehehehheeh!!!!

What makes you think I was talking about Bush Jr?

Anyways, I can see this topic has done nothing but caused a problem. I ask a moderator with more power (DarkJedi?) to lock this thread and let it die out. Not like it was on topic for long anyways...

Hear, hear. But just to add- Bush senior isn't dead either!!!!

i belive there is a secret underground goverment trying to take over but if that happened it would be like the movie equlibrium

Bush Senior isn't dead either!!!!!

That's what I want you to think

Anyways, I still wouldn't mind getting this thread locked. Cause if people are going to 'vote' together whether or not to listen, then this isn't any sort of 'individuality matters' -type forum. I do hope I'm wrong, cause otherwise Shemuel would be the perfect epitome of what a message board about FlashTrek really SHOULDN'T be. No longer about personal opinion, but rather voting on actions like a group collective (think Borg). Don't worry though. I'm not prepared to attack innocents. Just liberate them from people like you, Shem

Okay, after that little rant, I'm ready to get back ON TOPIC. I may not have locking powers, but I'll easily delete this thread if it comes down to the topic going off. Now, I suggest everybody stay on topic from here on out PLEASE. Or you'll find yourself on the floor screaming in agony and pain as blood pours out of your neck like a fountain. Don't say I didn't warn you

About the 'rather large supposition' that's really all this discussion CAN be. There is no such thing as tangible proof that aliens or the Illuminati exist. End of story. We can only make up theories and use our imaginations. Even if you don't seriously believe it, it's still a fun idea to poke around with, especially when writing. They're all great ideas.

I guess the Illuminati would greatly oppose the anti-christ... the Illuminati want world domination, but they want their world domination. it's like Hitler and Genghis Khan working together: impossible.

That would be the beauty in the plan. Something so sinister even I wouldn't have tried it at first. See, no matter what their purpose is, they're attempting to gain power. If the anti-christ is born in that group or joins it sometime in his life, then he can easily 'turn the people with his words', and turning a powerful group like the Illuminati on his side would be dangerous.

Of course, then you have to wonder if the Illuminati were so powerful, why haven't they taken over the world yet? It still leaves open the possibility that they are actually waiting for a single leader that can change the world's opinion to their side. According to most Illuminati theories, they caused a lot of tragedies in an attempt to make the people more afraid and open to the Illuminati's takeover. But so far because of the existence of these theories we can say for certain that it isn't working, and that they won't succeed until they get somebody that can 'turn the people' with only 'his words'. That would be the Anti-Christ.

i belive there is a secret underground goverment trying to take over but if that happened it would be like the movie equlibrium

I love that movie XD

Also, I'd like to mention how a secret society had come to get a name like 'Illuminati' as some of you immediately think of some university students or something like that. Here's the real Illuminati. It supposedly broke apart sometime around 1785, but who knows? That was after it was discovered.

This movement was founded on May 1, 1776, in Ingolstadt (Upper Bavaria), by Jesuit-taught Adam Weishaupt (d. 1830),[2] who was the first lay professor of canon law at the University of Ingolstadt.[3] The movement was made up of freethinkers, as an offshoot of the Enlightenment[4], which some believe was a conspiracy to infiltrate and overthrow the governments of many European states[5]. The group's adherents were given the name "Illuminati", although they called themselves "Perfectibilists". The group has also been called the Illuminati Order and the Bavarian Illuminati, and the movement itself has been referred to as Illuminism (after illuminism). In 1777, Karl Theodor, Elector Palatine, succeeded as ruler of Bavaria. He was a proponent of Enlightened Despotism and in 1784, his government banned all secret societies, including the Illuminati.

While it was not legally allowed to operate, many influential intellectuals and progressive politicians counted themselves as members, including Ferdinand of Brunswick and the diplomat Xavier von Zwack.[6] Xavier von Zwack was also the number two man in the operation and was caught with much of the group's documentation when his home was searched. The Illuminati's members pledged obedience to their superiors, and were divided into three main classes, each with several degrees.

The order had its branches in most countries of the European continent; it reportedly had around 2,000 members over the span of 10 years.[7] The scheme had its attraction for literary men, such as Johann Wolfgang von Goethe and Johann Gottfried Herder, and even for the reigning dukes of Gotha and Weimar. Internal rupture and panic over succession preceded its downfall, which was effected by The Secular Edict made by the Bavarian government in 1785.

Otherwise, a 'modern day' depiction of the Illuminati as a secret society can best be found in Tomb Raider, Deus Ex, and Metal Gear Solid (under the name 'the Patriots', the 'secret society' in MGS is very similar to the above mentioned Illuminati)

Or you could refer to Opus Dei or possibly the Freemasons, although the freemasons are an accepted group.

Nah, but neither are those German illuminati he was talking about. and Opus Dei still exist. A powerful politician in Britain is a member.

Here is my first manifest on this thread:

About the alien thing:
1st - Yes, I believe on aliens, as the Universe is way too big to the point were we only exist;
2nd - If they exist, and they had visited us in the past, I think that they had controled main moments on Earth history. I think that they offered us developments of such importance that influenced mankind (the fire, the weel, etc), they influenced our history, posing as gods ( Egipcian gods, Greek gods, Rome gods, God itself, etc, etc, etc), killing certain bad persons which strange diseases (like the one in Moises history) and made many more things.
3rd - I do not, REALLY, I DO NOT believe in secret military bases like Area 51. If they are so evolved, they can prevent accidents that give to anyone top technology.
4th - I really do not understand, If they already visited us, why don't they show up! We already know what is the number pi! We already know how to fly. We already explore the universe (a very tiny part of it). Why don't they show up! (Maybe it is because that our population doesn't have the same rights and duties).

About the illuminaty thing:
1st - As I know, the illuminati don't wanted to conquer the world. They want to spread their ideas, like freedom, equality and fraternity (It was the illuminaty that created the ideals of the French revolution) and that everyone should have some scientific knowledge. (Unless the spread of their ideas is their way of conquer the world).
2nd - I'm sure that if there is any actual member of the iluminaty, he abominates Hittler!
3rd - As I also know, the illuminaty have, has main religion Christianity (But they also might have member of other religions).

Shemuel wrote:Nah, but neither are those German illuminati he was talking about. and Opus Dei still exist. A powerful politician in Britain is a member.

Well, the reason why so many people believe that the Illuminati would be a world domination effort is because of the organization being 1) top secret, and 2) has a belief of illuminism (which is the belief that they have ascended to a higher plane of existence). The Illuminati was disbanded in 1785, but who the heck knows for sure? Although it's like saying, how do you know history books are telling the whole truth? Then you wonder how many newspapers and such tell both sides of a story and show the whole picture?

I see skepticism, and I'm still skeptical as well. I think what JPB believes about the Illuminati would make more sense to me. But alas, it's not a stretch of the imagination for Christians to believe they're there for world domination. Even the Anti-Christ will claim that he's for world peace. As long as he has power throughout the world, like the belief that the Illuminati influence these other countries (either with peaceful purposes or otherwise), he could easily use said organization to take over.

But for those that don't believe in Christianity, find your own alternatives to this theory, I don't care. Only time will tell the truth, not predictions.

JPB18 wrote:3rd - I do not, REALLY, I DO NOT believe in secret military bases like Area 51. If they are so evolved, they can prevent accidents that give to anyone top technology.

If you mean you don't believe it's there, then that's like saying as you're falling off the Empire State Building that you're not going to hit the bottom. It's THERE, but this belief that they have a connection to aliens IS something to be more skeptical about. Bah, time travel is still a stretch of imagination, and without that the only way to prevent 'accidents' like you said from happening would be to kill those that try to take the technology.

All we know of Area 51 for a fact is that it's an Air Force base where they've tested multiple new spy planes. Can't say for certain however if it's an alien facility.

4th - I really do not understand, If they already visited us, why don't they show up! We already know what is the number pi! We already know how to fly. We already explore the universe (a very tiny part of it). Why don't they show up! (Maybe it is because that our population doesn't have the same rights and duties).

Because the majority of humans, who continue to be close-minded about such things would scream and become afraid. Most likely they will listen to some of those 'abductees' and assume the aliens are here as some kind of invasion, then either the aliens would have to wipe us out or we would wipe them out. Reason why the government keeps it a secret? The same.

Maybe you and I are open-minded. And yes, there are several thousand (perhaps several hundred thousand) in America and/or the world that can be open-minded about such things, but that's still a very tiny part of the world's population. We're just not ready to discover that we're not alone in the universe, at least not by aliens ON EARTH. If we discover them on another planet, then there's a good chance it'll be covered up but at the same time we wouldn't be as scared.

1st - As I know, the illuminati don't wanted to conquer the world. They want to spread their ideas, like freedom, equality and fraternity (It was the illuminaty that created the ideals of the French revolution) and that everyone should have some scientific knowledge. (Unless the spread of their ideas is their way of conquer the world).

Say 'as I believe' or don't even bother. The Illuminati were freethinkers, so that is very true. But it's ironic that this happened: 'Internal rupture and panic over succession preceded its downfall, which was effected by The Secular Edict made by the Bavarian government in 1785.' Seems that people saying they want freedom actually don't want it then, huh?

Whatever the case, we can't say for certain, although it was meant as an aftermath of the Enlightment Age with all kinds of discoveries and open-mindedness would be a forefront. But still, it was a secret society for some reason, and they believed themselves to be 'enlightened on a spiritual plane'. Those two things alone lend some suspicion, but there's no tangible way to know what they were really planning unless we have papers of their plans and such.

3rd - As I also know, the illuminaty have, has main religion Christianity (But they also might have member of other religions).

They would have abolished Hitler, I agree. But if their main religion is Christianity... Well, most likely the majority of them were Christians yes. But they wouldn't force everyone to believe the way they do, otherwise that's not spreading ideas of 'freedom, equality, and fraternity'.

JPB18 wrote:3rd - I do not, REALLY, I DO NOT believe in secret military bases like Area 51. If they are so evolved, they can prevent accidents that give to anyone top technology.

If you mean you don't believe it's there, then that's like saying as you're falling off the Empire State Building that you're not going to hit the bottom. It's THERE, but this belief that they have a connection to aliens IS something to be more skeptical about. Bah, time travel is still a stretch of imagination, and without that the only way to prevent 'accidents' like you said from happening would be to kill those that try to take the technology.

All we know of Area 51 for a fact is that it's an Air Force base where they've tested multiple new spy planes. Can't say for certain however if it's an alien facility.

When I said that I do not believe in area 51, I was talking about the histories around that particular base, as I believe in the existence of that base as area 51, but as the "Las Vegas Defensive Base" (name attributed by me).
And yes, I also know that it is a test area (do you also know that NASA has a small department on area 51 that make top secret tests).


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4th - I really do not understand, If they already visited us, why don't they show up! We already know what is the number pi! We already know how to fly. We already explore the universe (a very tiny part of it). Why don't they show up! (Maybe it is because that our population doesn't have the same rights and duties).

Because the majority of humans, who continue to be close-minded about such things would scream and become afraid. Most likely they will listen to some of those 'abductees' and assume the aliens are here as some kind of invasion, then either the aliens would have to wipe us out or we would wipe them out. Reason why the government keeps it a secret? The same.

Maybe you and I are open-minded. And yes, there are several thousand (perhaps several hundred thousand) in America and/or the world that can be open-minded about such things, but that's still a very tiny part of the world's population. We're just not ready to discover that we're not alone in the universe, at least not by aliens ON EARTH. If we discover them on another planet, then there's a good chance it'll be covered up but at the same time we wouldn't be as scared.

Well, "I don't think that they travelled 90000000000 light years to fight" (quote from Independence Day), so, I think that what people call as "sexual abuses by aliens" can just be a form to discover more about human phisiology (they just make it to us like they make to other sentient beings). I don't think that if they show up it will be to exterminate mankind.
And thanks the "beings in the higher planes that we can call gods" that exist open-minded persons, as those peoples make the world evolve faster, and I think that other people need to embrace that open-minded state of spirit if mankind wants to meet them face to face, we need to evolve mentally, and, it is proved that open-minded persons have a bigger thinking capacity than those who believe that things must be like the sacred book says (per example). So, if all mankind had a open spirit, I think that then, we were ready to meet them.

1st - As I know, the illuminati don't wanted to conquer the world. They want to spread their ideas, like freedom, equality and fraternity (It was the illuminaty that created the ideals of the French revolution) and that everyone should have some scientific knowledge. (Unless the spread of their ideas is their way of conquer the world).

Say 'as I believe' or don't even bother. The Illuminati were freethinkers, so that is very true. But it's ironic that this happened: 'Internal rupture and panic over succession preceded its downfall, which was effected by The Secular Edict made by the Bavarian government in 1785.' Seems that people saying they want freedom actually don't want it then, huh?

Whatever the case, we can't say for certain, although it was meant as an aftermath of the Enlightment Age with all kinds of discoveries and open-mindedness would be a forefront. But still, it was a secret society for some reason, and they believed themselves to be 'enlightened on a spiritual plane'. Those two things alone lend some suspicion, but there's no tangible way to know what they were really planning unless we have papers of their plans and such.

3rd - As I also know, the illuminaty have, has main religion Christianity (But they also might have member of other religions).

They would have abolished Hitler, I agree. But if their main religion is Christianity... Well, most likely the majority of them were Christians yes. But they wouldn't force everyone to believe the way they do, otherwise that's not spreading ideas of 'freedom, equality, and fraternity'.

It was a bad chose of words that part of "As I know", but as I refered before, there are people which prefer that other people think be themselves (and 18th century was still one of those eras that some people still wanted to live by the "old principles".

Have you ever heard about inquisition (This is a translating from my language as I don't know how other countries call it) In latter years after the French revolution inquisition had still power in Europe (and I heard about some clandestines "arms" of the inquisition that spread their powers to countries that thought that they were free from that organization, but it is just a small rumor)

What I wanted to say is that the majority of the members are Christians (as you well understanded), and they must had a more open-mended to other religions (they could allow people with various religions, or even people without religion).

I see. I agree with all your assessments then, no doubt about it! I seriously doubt that Area 51 is a place for alien research (that just seems to me to be stretching reality too much), but alas it is still an awesome idea to toy with. Like many others, stories have been written about the place, declaringly fictional, but still very great to read. I don't take these theories seriously (though I did theorize once, but only time can tell and until then since there's nothing I can do about it, I'm not putting any seriousness to it)

And yes, people need to be a little more open-minded. Not to the point of gullibility but just so they don't immediately brush aside any explanations. What's wrong with preparing, for example, for a flash flood that may or may not happen? If it happens, you'll be safe, but if it doesn't happen, you won't have lost anything. Though some preparations require sacrifice, one should at least stay open-minded to the possibilities and not simply brush them off until they go in and get the facts.

Alas, I do hope that any aliens that might be visiting earth (or will) will certainly stay away until either humans get their act together, or until there's no humans on this planet to worry about.

Alas, I do hope that any aliens that might be visiting earth (or will) will certainly stay away until either humans get their act together, or until there's no humans on this planet to worry about.

I prefer the first one to the last one. the last one is somewhat scaring.

Also, when we find for the first time an more advanced sentient being, I prefer that they are in their culture more like the Asgard or the vulcans (Cause the asgard are peaceful, until someone attack them, and the vulcans are to concentrated in their quest for complete knowledgethet they don't have a military fleet, being so, peaceful)

But returning to the reality and to the topic, I also think that if we find other sentient beings,wont be in our homeworld, but with 2 ships armed to the tooth face to face or in a future colony.

yeah, knowing some of the assh*les who lead countries on our planet, we they probably be stupid and declare war.

XD Accursed english, every word seems to have many meanings. Or at least the majority of them. Well, aliens from outer space, yes. Though not necessarily from outer space, more or less any sentient creature of human intelligence or greater that is NOT human. And notice I said sentient. Sentience is the ability to feel or perceive subjectively. When talking about 'aliens', sentient usually stands to mean: often ascribed qualities such as will, desire, consciousness, ethics, personality, intelligence, insight, and so on.

I believe aliens are real and have visited earth: reason? I have seen a UFO. I was only 8 years old when I saw it. It was a light that stopped moving and got real bright, then dim again. then it vanished.

Galaxy-Scarface wrote:I believe aliens are real and have visited earth: reason? I have seen a UFO. I was only 8 years old when I saw it. It was a light that stopped moving and got real bright, then dim again. then it vanished.

Where you assleap ou someone fouled you with a lightbolb? Really, if the aliens decided to visit Earth, I think that they are capable of cloacking like the Scimitar.

No, I was outside waiting for my dad to adjust his telescope.

So what you saw must be a light that melted. Or the reflex of something.

well, if there are aliens i hope they arent like this:

lol. oh and btw, I just saw one.

yeah, so do you reckon they exist?