religion

by me naam is m 2008-11-17, 18:18

so guys (and gall)

what religions do we have here?

(note. you can have religious discussions here. infact, you should)

by Darkjedi 2008-11-17, 18:20

Christian.

It makes the most sense.

by Shemuel 2008-11-17, 18:22

Christianity. It also is the most accepting of mainstream religions.

by Darkjedi 2008-11-17, 18:26

Well, it all depends on which part of it you choose to look at.

https://flashtrek.forumotion.co.uk/general-chat-f1/is-there-one-true-religion-t263.htm

by Earthdeath 2008-11-17, 18:28

no, not until there is solid evidence.

by Shemuel 2008-11-17, 18:28

You found the link!

by Darkjedi 2008-11-17, 18:31

Earthdeath wrote:no, not until there is solid evidence.

What? Is this cause of your biased education?

@ Shemuel

Yeah, it makes me sad, thinking about how good I was in the past.

by me naam is m 2008-11-17, 18:38

Shemuel wrote:Christianity. It also is the most accepting of mainstream religions.

i always can't help but laugh when i see such a statement.

how about crusades, huh?
how about the eradication of paganism?
how about the spanish inquisition?
how about the warring between different parts of christianity?

currently, there's only ONE religion that actually acknowledges other religions, the Islam, where the Koran states that Jews and Christians are 'peoples of the book'

by Meganew Trek 2008-11-17, 18:39

Christianity.

So, what are you, ED?

by Earthdeath 2008-11-17, 18:40

@DJ:maybe.

@Meganew: i dont have one.

by Shemuel 2008-11-17, 18:41

By the actual Bible, christianity is better than the Quran for peacefulness and the like.

And yes I did phrase it badly

Christianity, in its modern, non-sectular forms, is the most accepting of mainstream religions

by Meganew Trek 2008-11-17, 18:42

True...

by Earthdeath 2008-11-17, 18:43

yes, it is.after all, there are religious terrorism attacks from the other ones.christianity isnt going to do that anytime soon though.

by Shemuel 2008-11-17, 18:45

Well no, to be fair, there have been a few dodgy things in american 'christian' sects. But not much.

by Philly Homer 2008-11-17, 18:45

Mainstream? That includes hell-preaching, fire-spitting fundamentalists. Definitely not accepting.

Anyways, I am Christian. Though I have strayed a bit and I can define myself as "lukewarm" right now...

MNIM wrote:currently, there's only ONE religion that actually acknowledges other religions, the Islam, where the Koran states that Jews and Christians are 'peoples of the book'

It also says to spread their beliefs by the sword if necessary. Not very peaceful at all, now is it?

by me naam is m 2008-11-17, 18:45

Shemuel wrote:By the actual Bible, Christianity is better than the Quran for peacefulness and the like.

you never read the first testament, did you?

Shemuel wrote:Christianity, in its modern, non-sectular forms, is the most accepting of mainstream religions

not really. try Buddhism.

(oh, wait, just a note. I AM christian. don't be confused. but I've always learned to look at what others say with criticism.)

by Shemuel 2008-11-17, 18:48

Okay. Apart from Buddhism.

And have you actually read the Quran? Half of this "Islam is your friend" stuff is bollocks. There is loads upon loads upon loads of incendiary stuff in there.

by Philly Homer 2008-11-17, 18:50

MNIM wrote:I've always learned to look at what others say with criticism

NEVER take anything at face value. I find that so many Catholics are what they are simply because their parents tell them to go to church and etc. while they act nothing like a Christian/Catholic. And the Old Testament... well, most of the Mosaic Law (the 600-some odd laws in the Pentateuch) was what the Jewish authors made of the Ten Commandments and don't exactly apply nowadays.

by me naam is m 2008-11-17, 18:52

Shemuel wrote:Okay. Apart from Buddhism.

And have you actually read the Quran? Half of this "Islam is your friend" stuff is bollocks. There is loads upon loads upon loads of incendiary stuff in there.

i don't say the Koran is innocent.

in fact, 'Mein Kampf' looks like a children's book compared to it.

by Darkjedi 2008-11-17, 18:55

NEVER take anything at face value. I find that so many Catholics are what they are simply because their parents tell them to go to church and etc. while they act nothing like a Christian/Catholic.

So true! Catholicism is based off of traditions so much, I sometimes wonder how they had the word Christian associated with it in the first place.

well, most of the Mosaic Law (the 600-some odd laws in the Pentateuch) was what the Jewish authors made of the Ten Commandments and don't exactly apply nowadays.

Well, the law covenant is no longer in effect. I can explain that if you want me to.

The law still does have some value to us today though.

It gives us a little glimpse of how God feels about certain things.

But, like you said, they don't exactly apply nowadays.

by Earthdeath 2008-11-17, 18:57

muslims are quite accepting.iknow one, a friend of my dads.he said that most muslims dont care what god you worship, they only take offence if you dont worship one.

im fruit then.

by me naam is m 2008-11-17, 18:58

Darkjedi wrote:It gives us a little glimpse of how God feels about certain things.

But, like you said, they don't exactly apply nowadays.

i agree. after all, it was made 4000-something years ago by desert nomads.

Earthdeath wrote:muslims are quite accepting.iknow one, a friend of my dads.he said that most muslims dont care what god you worship, they only take offence if you dont worship one.

im fruit then.

i agree. most muslims are quite relaxed. only like 0.001% is extremist

by Darkjedi 2008-11-17, 19:00

Desert nomads?

I prefer to call them God's messengers.

@ ED

Well, just because a religion is lenient, that doesn't mean it's right.

by Earthdeath 2008-11-17, 19:02

there is no one religion until there is enough evidence.same thing with the big bang theory.

by me naam is m 2008-11-17, 19:05

Darkjedi wrote:Desert nomads?

I prefer to call them God's messengers.

@ ED

Well, just because a religion is lenient, that doesn't mean it's right.

ehm. yes... jews were nomads, remember?

the jewish laws were made by jews, not god. this is why mankind is a fail: god makes 10 simple, easy rules, and humans make that 600, based on almost nothing.

by Earthdeath 2008-11-17, 19:06

and then fight some pointless war about it.

by Darkjedi 2008-11-17, 19:07

Why do you think evolution makes more sense to you?

If you think about it, believing in God, and believing in the evolutionary process are both kinda religions.

They both involve believing in something. Well, kinda.

With Christianity, you believe in God.

With Evolution, you believe in small particles colliding, which have an unknown origin.

Sorry, Christianity sounds much more reasonable.

@ Me naam

Oh, I was talking about the law covenant, not the Jewish laws.

by Earthdeath 2008-11-17, 19:09

ok then, the arguament against where paricles came from.you can do the same with god.What made god?

by me naam is m 2008-11-17, 19:09

Earthdeath wrote:and then fight some pointless war about it.

exactly.

@ DJ: that's the error most people make. religion is not reasonable. it's not possible to proof.
it's only possible to believe

(I'm going to bed. otherwise i won't be very happy at school tomorrow morning.)

by Darkjedi 2008-11-17, 19:11

Earthdeath wrote:ok then, the arguament against where paricles came from.you can do the same with god.What made god?

Nothing.

He created time.

Mind boggling?

Yes.

But, how else would it be explained?

It all had to start somewhere!

@ me naam

I think the word you're looking for is faith.

by me naam is m 2008-11-17, 19:12

could be.

but isn't time created by man, because of being aware of it?

I guess that for god, one day is a second.

by Darkjedi 2008-11-17, 19:14

No, God created time.

Even if man wasn't here, God could still use it, if he wants to.

by Earthdeath 2008-11-17, 19:15

Darkjedi wrote:
Earthdeath wrote:ok then, the arguament against where paricles came from.you can do the same with god.What made god?
Nothing.

He created time.

Mind boggling?

Yes.

But, how else would it be explained?

It all had to start somewhere!

yes, but god cant make himself can he?
but the exact same can be said for any theories on how the universe was made.truth is we wil probably ever know how it all began.

by Darkjedi 2008-11-17, 19:19

He was never made.

He invented the idea of making something. LOL!

Anyways, there's been too many occurrences for me.

Some things just cannot be explained without the God factor.

Trust me, I have some stories!

More like demonic occurrences, but it still can only be explained by the God factor.

by Meganew Trek 2008-11-17, 19:20

Explain...

by Insane Crayon 2008-11-17, 19:33

me naam is m wrote:
Shemuel wrote:Christianity. It also is the most accepting of mainstream religions.

i always can't help but laugh when i see such a statement.

how about crusades, huh?
how about the eradication of paganism?
how about the spanish inquisition?
how about the warring between different parts of christianity?
How about the Salem Witch Trials?
currently, there's only ONE religion that actually acknowledges other religions, the Islam, where the Koran states that Jews and Christians are 'peoples of the book'

The bold part is one you forgot MNIM..... and I'm wicca because nature keeps us alive and we should respect it more

by Darkjedi 2008-11-17, 19:34

But...

God created nature.

by Insane Crayon 2008-11-17, 19:45

Paganism, which includes Wicca, CAME BEFORE CHRISTIANITY! That is the part EVERYONE seems to forget.

by Philly Homer 2008-11-17, 20:22

And that makes it the "one true belief system" how? Besides, how does paganism coming before Christianity contradict the idea that a god created nature?

by Earthdeath 2008-11-17, 20:26

i dunno.but i dont really care.

by Insane Crayon 2008-11-17, 21:19

Alkanosis wrote:And that makes it the "one true belief system" how? Besides, how does paganism coming before Christianity contradict the idea that a god created nature?

Because, how can God be real, when Science contradicts the entirety of the bible. Especially the God created the earth and all life theory.

by Philly Homer 2008-11-17, 21:42

Specifically point out where it contradicts the Bible? You're thinking of the Bible on literal terms. If the Bible really was literal, then Christians would still have to follow some 600-odd Jewish laws rather than just faith in Jesus Christ. The Bible is not meant to be taken literally. When it says it took "seven days" to complete creation, it doesn't really mean seven days. Seven is a holy number, symbolizing completeness and perfection, which is why the Jewish author(s) decided to use seven; as imagery that people of the time understood to mean holiness, completeness, and perfection. Again, it's not a literal account. The creation story doesn't discount evolution, which I personally have a leaning toward.

by Insane Crayon 2008-11-17, 21:49

Eh, you got me there. I have read the bible from cover to back. I think that some Christians take it WAY to literally. I have a Christian fanatic as a friend, sort of, and he tries to preach to me everyday about God, and I just enjoy making him mad. I told him on countless occasions to stop for he offends me with it. I don't hate Christians or their beliefs, but I don't want to be preached to for the pure fact that I don't believe in God.

by Philly Homer 2008-11-17, 21:59

I find that the more I try to bring religion up in any environment only serves to infuriate people. The issue of political correctness has gone a bit too far.

Yeah, I used to be somewhat like that. I just gave up on fundamentalism, because leaning too far to the right in any case is bad. Better than leaning too far to the left though, in my opinion. Does he follow you around preaching and spouting Christian ideology as well?

by Insane Crayon 2008-11-17, 22:03

Yes.... :sighs:

by **Darkwing** 2008-11-17, 22:03

oh dear, here we go again. ok, as much as dj and i have our religious differences, he's right. God came before nature, and you said, Christianity came after paganism, true, but Christianity is the religion on the belief that God is God and etc. God existed before paganism though, and created paganism in a sense. See, before paganism, before Christianity, before religion even, there was God.

by me naam is m 2008-11-18, 03:53

Terra Nova wrote:
me naam is m wrote:How about the Salem Witch Trials?

The bold part is one you forgot MNIM..... and I'm wicca because nature keeps us alive and we should respect it more

you're forgetting my European POV. all the American witch-hunting together still has taken less victims than witch-hunting in just one european city.

but yeah, witch-hunting may be named apart.

by Shemuel 2008-11-18, 14:05

My advice to you terra is kick him in the nadgers. He'll stop bugging you then. You can't force people to believe.

by me naam is m 2008-11-18, 14:10

I'd get a voodo cushion. Razz

nah. to be serious, he has no right to that. explain to him the exact meaning of 'stalking' and 'harassment'

oh yeah, anbd especially explain to him the punishment.

by Shemuel 2008-11-18, 14:11

No, don't do that-he might take it as a chance for martyrdom.

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