Re: Lies

by Shemuel 2008-03-08, 17:23

wow.

by Jtull 2008-03-08, 20:56

wow thats alot of info if only it was on topic

lol!

jokes.

darkjedi lives on mars.

by Darkjedi 2008-03-08, 22:38

No, I don't live on Mars. You do! LOL!

by Jtull 2008-03-08, 22:58

hey its a lie and thats wat this topic is about. scratch

by Philly Homer 2008-03-08, 23:13

...You didn't even read it...? It was about Jehovah's Witnesses' doctrine. I found it quite interesting and defies what my church tells us about them.

Anyways, Jtull always reads interesting things.

by Darkjedi 2008-03-08, 23:17

Many churches create lies about us, to keep their members from joining us. LOL.

by Philly Homer 2008-03-08, 23:20

Well, here's what my church teaches... If you have Jesus Christ in your life, that's all you need.

Darkjedi's church (does) teach that doctrine?

by me naam is m 2008-03-09, 06:18

this topic is very on-topic

by Shemuel 2008-03-09, 07:22

Also, do you promote trying to push people to change? Here they force old ladies to convert in their homes.

by Jtull 2008-03-10, 01:15

Shemuel is perfectly sane

by Darkjedi 2008-03-10, 03:58

Alkanosis wrote:Well, here's what my church teaches... If you have Jesus Christ in your life, that's all you need.

Darkjedi's church (does) teach that doctrine?

YOU see that a man is to be declared righteous by works, and not by faith alone. In the same manner was not also Ra′hab the harlot declared righteous by works, after she had received the messengers hospitably and sent them out by another way? Indeed, as the body without spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. -James 2:24-26 *

So, if we just show faith in Jesus, by going to Church, are we showing "works"?

Would anyone call a man a real doctor, a dedicated physician, who set himself up in office as a doctor and expressed faith in medical treatment, yet never treated or helped another person medically? Jesus said: “Not everyone saying to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will.” (Matt. 7:21)

So, what do we need to do?

The Commission to Preach (excerpt from The Watchtower)

After a three-and-a-half-year ministry, Jesus finished his earthly course. But before he ascended to heaven, he gave his followers this commission: “Go . . . and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And, look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.” - Matthew 28:19, 20
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We also need to follow bible standards in our daily lives.
For, the Bible says:
"All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness,that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work." - 2 Tim. 3:16,17

So, we need to preach, and follow the Bible's standards.

Well, of course, going to Church is good also.

For the bible does say for us "to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together, as some have the custom, but encouraging one another, and all the more so as YOU behold the day drawing near." - Heb.10:24,25

Well, that's all folks! - Porky Pig

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Footnote (excerpts from various publications)
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It should be noted that James is not contradicting what Paul says, namely, that “a man is declared righteous by faith apart from works of law.” (Rom. 3:28) James fully agrees with this teaching, but he writes to refute an abuse or perversion of it. The perversion was the view that a man, by merely holding correct ideas about being justified by faith, without demonstrating that faith at all by doing good works, would be righteous in God’s sight and would eventually receive complete salvation. Actually, James pointed out, any so-called faith that does not prompt the person to do good works is not genuine faith. Such a man only “says he has faith.” The man who claims to have faith in Christ’s atonement sacrifice, and says that he is a Christian, but who does not demonstrate that faith by action, is not in reality a Christian. If his “faith” did not make any changes in his personality, his life, his actions, what good would it be? How could he do as Jesus commanded his followers: “Let your light shine before men, that they may see your fine works and give glory to your Father who is in the heavens”? (Matt. 5:16)

What James says in verse 14 ties in with his description at chapter 1:26, 27, where he speaks of the man who “seems to himself” or ‘thinks himself’ to be a worshiper of God but fails in producing any fruitage of his faith or his form of worship. He fails to “bridle his tongue,” discipline it to speak in accord with what is the true state of matters, what he actually is. His form of worship is “futile.” He also fails to have works, such as looking after orphans and widows and keeping himself unspotted from the world. Furthermore, such hollow, futile profession of faith leads a person into such wrongs as the showing of partiality, into failing to fulfill the law of love and neglecting to show mercy. (Jas. 2:8, 9, 13)

Are works really necessary if a person has faith?

Jas. 2:17, 18, 21, 22, 26: “Faith, if it does not have works, is dead in itself. Nevertheless, a certain one will say: ‘You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith apart from the works, and I shall show you my faith by my works.’ Was not Abraham our father declared righteous by works after he had offered up Isaac his son upon the altar? You behold that his faith worked along with his works and by his works his faith was perfected. Indeed, as the body without spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.”

Illustration: A young man may court a young lady, telling her that he loves her. But if he never asks her to marry him, is he really demonstrating that his love is thorough? Likewise, works are a means of demonstrating the genuineness of our faith and our love. If we do not obey God we do not really love him or have faith in the rightness of his ways. (1 John 5:3, 4) But we cannot earn salvation no matter what works we do. Eternal life is a gift from God through Jesus Christ, not payment for our works.—Eph. 2:8, 9.

by Darkjedi 2008-03-10, 06:25

Shemuel wrote:Also, do you promote trying to push people to change? Here they force old ladies to convert in their homes.

LOL! We don't force people to convert. In fact, we don't convert people, people convert themselfs. Oh, and you might want to read my new topic in General Chat.

by me naam is m 2008-03-10, 14:24

AARGH! too... much... to... read...

please stay on topic guys, this is the "lies" thread, not the "religion discussion" topic!

this thread is on topic, and the posters are cooperating.

by Shemuel 2008-03-10, 16:21

Me naam is m is wrong

by me naam is m 2008-03-10, 16:34

shemuel is not welsh

by Shemuel 2008-03-10, 16:39

Not YAY!

by me naam is m 2008-03-10, 16:48

not yay? I know what you're trying to say.

by Shemuel 2008-03-10, 17:03

Of course you don't

by me naam is m 2008-03-10, 17:10

I don't want cookie.

by Shemuel 2008-03-10, 17:15

You can't have a cookie!

by me naam is m 2008-03-10, 17:21

shemuel doesn't give me cookie?

by Shemuel 2008-03-10, 17:36

No I do

by me naam is m 2008-03-10, 17:51

? ugh, that's not confuzing to me.

by Shemuel 2008-03-10, 17:57

(I do give you a cookie, or if you're not American a biscuit)

by me naam is m 2008-03-10, 18:14

hehe, I don't understand you

(I'm dutch, we don't call it "koekje" which is not pronounced quite similar to cookie) (actually, the Americans did not steal that word from us)

by Shemuel 2008-03-10, 18:19

(I'ts only a single negative. Apparently too many confuses Alkanosis0
Not interesting

by Shemuel 2008-03-19, 19:10

Sorry, double post

I'm dissapointed by the Canadian guy that I just hosted

by me naam is m 2008-03-20, 18:22

didn't host a Canadian guy.

by Philly Homer 2008-03-20, 20:34

MNIM doesn't live in the second most awesome country in the world (Netherlands.) Britain is better, sorry.

by Shemuel 2008-03-21, 13:09

Arrgh! you didn't use a double negative!!

by Philly Homer 2008-03-21, 14:09

Shemuel isn't angry that I said Britain is better?

(I wrote what I meant, sorry. I only used one negative in the whole thing.)

by me naam is m 2008-03-22, 10:39

britain is better! hah!

(why is the netherlands so awesome, then?)

by Philly Homer 2008-03-22, 11:53

('Cause the Dutch people are awesome. I judge countries by their people, not the government. That means the US sucks, in my opinion.)

by Shemuel 2008-03-22, 13:02

The Netherlands are much worse that Britain, it's completely true...Britain has England in it.

by raffitz 2008-03-22, 13:38

Shemuel has to play the game correctly... He always does...

by Shemuel 2008-03-22, 13:55

I wasn't doing it correctly

by Philly Homer 2008-03-22, 16:52

Shemuel is still playing correctly.

by Shemuel 2008-03-22, 18:30

( I meant what i said. Britain sucks beacause it has England in it)

by Philly Homer 2008-03-22, 20:26

(What are you talking about? The English created the King James Version of the Bible! And... you're supposed to lie about person who posted above you, so you are not playing correctly. Sorry.)

Shemuel won't be playing correctly now!

by Shemuel 2008-03-23, 16:47

No I will! You lie alkanosis!!

by me naam is m 2008-03-23, 18:10

is a sheep.

by Shemuel 2008-03-23, 18:11

Who? Not me?

by me naam is m 2008-03-23, 18:52

by Shemuel 2008-03-23, 18:58

Oh, so I am then Laughing

by me naam is m 2008-03-23, 19:04

you are

?

by Shemuel 2008-03-23, 19:12

yes I'm not

by Philly Homer 2008-03-23, 19:35

Shemuel is definitely not confusing me?

by me naam is m 2008-03-24, 10:56

right, he isn't

by Shemuel 2008-03-24, 12:56

I am a sheep

by me naam is m 2008-03-24, 13:13

is french

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