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A female is really angry at you and launches herself at you with the intent of sending you to the hospital. (Really mad) Would you find it acceptable to punch her? (Given you dont know any pressure points of Vulcan neck pinch techniques

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Post by Stryker 2009-05-11, 20:57

Had to start this because of opposition to Forum Freedom-see sig.

So what are your ideas or opinions?

I for one, think it does not matter who is attacking you, the reaction should be the same.
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Post by Philly Homer 2009-05-11, 21:07

Stryker wrote:I for one, think it does not matter who is attacking you, the reaction should be the same.

This, this, this, this x1000.

Though I really hope the scenario you mentioned never happens, but you really should fight back no matter whether it is a man or a woman.
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Post by Thingy 2009-05-11, 21:07

Yes. And i'd enjoy it. I hate rabid women, really hate them. The same goes for men, though i'd call them something else. And i think we've managed to kind of tip over the wrong way. Women and men should be equal, but women shouldnt get more rights than men (like, non gender specific rights. Domestic violence is an exception and so is the rest of that stuff)
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Post by Stryker 2009-05-11, 21:10

Never said anything about rabid women...
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Post by Thingy 2009-05-11, 21:11

If she's mad, really really mad and trying to send you to the hospital. I'd call her rabid.
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Post by killerflood 2009-05-11, 21:13

Shoot KO pills into her mouth and when she swallows them and KO's give her the vaccine.
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Post by Earthdeath 2009-05-12, 14:41

That where have a problem with this, as they could be a hostile combatant.
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Post by Shemuel 2009-05-12, 15:35

I f they have no reason, and are butch, I would have to. Say if I met one in a mosh. But generally, there aren't many girls I would get to know who I wouldn't be able to incapacitate without punching.

I would go for the option "Yes, if they were as big as I was"
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Post by me naam is m 2009-05-12, 16:07

Shemuel wrote:I would go for the option "Yes, if they were as big as I was"
ain't that natural?
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Post by Shemuel 2009-05-12, 16:49

No.
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Post by me naam is m 2009-05-12, 17:01

Shemuel wrote:No.
ah yes, screw principles and all 'n stuff...

PS. zulian.
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Post by Shemuel 2009-05-12, 17:06

I wanted to put it as starkly as possible. however, I realise you were asking whether my stance about hitting girls was natural, not whether they are as big as me.
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Post by me naam is m 2009-05-12, 17:09

actually, both.
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Post by Stryker 2009-05-12, 18:05

in some other post alka mentioned something about if you would not hit the woman in the above scenario it would be sexist or something to that degree. I agree with him but i also beleive there is a much larger underlying problem. I think this "don't hit women attitude" is just stereotypical. Its saying woman aren't strong enough to take stress and are fairly weak. This leads to the attitude" Men are strong and let them handle all the problems" I mean this goes back hundreds of years, maybe a thousand. The view that men go off to war, while the women stay with the children. Even more popularized by movies and the media, is showing women faint or become overwhelmed when they see a mass grave or people dieing. I was reading even more into the Titanic incident where a announcement was given "Women and children first into boats" Many women were angry at this. (Of course that was after the entire incident was over). They made the sad point that women were being shoved into the same category as children. In fact this was subordinating them to men. That is really why this viewpoint is harmful to women. They are being shunned down to a lower level than men. I mean people then might as well say (dont mean this to ANY extent, just criticizing don't hit women sayings) "don't hit women they're inferior and can't take it.
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Post by Thingy 2009-05-12, 18:08

They are constructed in another way, both physicly and psychologicly. So yes, they're not as strong as men. But they become stronger with training, obviously.
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Post by Stryker 2009-05-12, 18:10

so the comment is women are inferior physically?
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Post by Thingy 2009-05-12, 18:12

Like it or not, but we're not 100% equal. They're slightly less capable of violence
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Post by Shemuel 2009-05-12, 18:13

Women, in general, have intelligence come easier to them
Men, in general, have strength come easier to them
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Post by Philly Homer 2009-05-12, 19:07

Shemuel wrote:Women, in general, have intelligence come easier to them
Men, in general, have strength come easier to them

Uh... Big no on the first one. Especially here in America. The second one I tend to agree with a bit more.
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Post by me naam is m 2009-05-12, 19:14

Alkanosis wrote:
Shemuel wrote:Women, in general, have intelligence come easier to them
Men, in general, have strength come easier to them

Uh... Big no on the first one. Especially here in America. The second one I tend to agree with a bit more.

SEXIST! XD

anyway, actually even the second is actually even untrue. ever born a child, guys?
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Post by Darkwing 2009-05-12, 19:15

have you?
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Post by me naam is m 2009-05-12, 19:17

no, but does that unprove my point?
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Post by Darkwing 2009-05-12, 19:18

no, i was just checking, that's all
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Post by Thingy 2009-05-12, 19:26

Alkanosis wrote:
Shemuel wrote:Women, in general, have intelligence come easier to them
Men, in general, have strength come easier to them

Uh... Big no on the first one. Especially here in America. The second one I tend to agree with a bit more.


And here... saying the girls in my class have the intelligence of a seagull would be an insult to all seagulls. ALL OF THEM. But men are constructed in a different way, we are more capable of enduring and doing harm physicly.
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Post by Philly Homer 2009-05-12, 19:29

Well, most of the time at any rate. Always are exceptions. Girls at my school generally are airheads, though...
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Post by Insane Crayon 2009-05-12, 19:38

I won't deny that I've been an airhead at times, though those a far and few between. I can't say anything about other girls at my school though.
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Post by Darkjedi 2009-05-13, 03:16

Airhead?

What?

I could never see that...

: Looks at Terra Nova's avatar:

NOT!

No offense to myself.

I can be an air head a lot of times too.

Ah dur!

* Retarded pose*

Anyways, men are just usually physically stronger.

That's just how it works.

Both sexes would never amount to what they are now without each other.

I'm not talking about reproduction, I mean on a physiological spectrum.

Men and women were meant to be together.

Remember God said that it wouldn't be good for the man to be alone?

Yeah, that's why he created the female.

Which Adam decided to call "woman".

“This is at last bone of my bones
And flesh of my flesh.
This one will be called Woman,
Because from man this one was taken.”

That was the first recorded piece of poetry in history.

And it was such an appropriate occasion for such a grand display of emotion.

(After all, I bet Eve was hot! LOL!)

God made the woman to be a helper for the man, a complement.

And just because a Woman's physical strength does not equal a man's, that does not mean that this "weaker vessel" is in any way, less important.

Women tend to do better with feeling emotions.

Many men can be very lax, when it comes to that department.

They help in everything men do.

They are the peanut butter in between the bread of human society.

They make it all stick together.

They are the mommies.

The wives.

Etc.

Gosh, I love women.
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Post by me naam is m 2009-05-13, 07:03

Darkjedi wrote:(After all, I bet Eve was hot! LOL!)
if you were left with the last girl on earth, wouldn't you think she's hot too?

PS. PLEASE leave religion out of this.
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Post by Darkwing 2009-05-13, 09:24

Dj, you are condemming yourself to a life of not having your posts read due to their length!
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Post by me naam is m 2009-05-13, 12:13

Darkwing wrote:Dj, you are condemming yourself to a life of not having your posts read due to their length!
actually, i find his quite short and readable.
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Post by Darkjedi 2009-05-13, 12:18

me naam is m wrote:
Darkjedi wrote:(After all, I bet Eve was hot! LOL!)
if you were left with the last girl on earth, wouldn't you think she's hot too?

PS. PLEASE leave religion out of this.
Well, she was a perfect human woman, so she probably was hot.

And what's wrong with putting religion into it?

I quoted from the bible.

The bible is a historical book.

And it's not like I dug into anything controversial.

Oh, and I also wanted to say that I view women as equals to men.

Who else agrees?
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Post by me naam is m 2009-05-13, 12:44

Darkjedi wrote:The bible is a historical book.

And it's not like I dug into anything controversial.
did you realize that you just totally OWNED yourself? without actually trying hard i know of already four people here who will disagree with you.
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Post by Thingy 2009-05-13, 13:02

he's just stating his views... The same way i'd say religion is something for people who want something to comfort them about life, whether it's real or not.
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Post by Galaxy-Scarface 2009-05-13, 13:58

Darkjedi wrote:Oh, and I also wanted to say that I view women as equals to men.
Who else agrees?
i totally agree.
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Post by me naam is m 2009-05-13, 14:40

me naam is m wrote:
Darkjedi wrote:The bible is a historical book.

And it's not like I dug into anything controversial.
sure. the bible. a historical book, renown for it's truth, and highly uncontroversial, the whole world agrees. Rolling Eyes
EXACTLY why i disagree with jw views.
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Post by JPB18 2009-05-13, 15:28

Well... I believe that woman have the same right as man's, but I agree that they have social diferences and positions... for example... there are things that are easier to accept on a girl than on boys... as the other way around...
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Post by Shemuel 2009-05-13, 16:44

Weird, I thought I posted something about this....

Yes, in a natural situation, most women will be physically less than men.
(Although they, in a natural situation, mostly will be intellectually more than men.)
(However there are exceptions!!)

So as most of them are weaker I wouldn't hit them, at least not full-out.
If a male midget started fighting me, I wouldn't straight-out kick him in the head, would I?
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Post by JPB18 2009-05-13, 16:55

Shemuel wrote:Weird, I thought I posted something about this....

Yes, in a natural situation, most women will be physically less than men.
(Although they, in a natural situation, mostly will be intellectually more than men.)
(However there are exceptions!!)

So as most of them are weaker I wouldn't hit them, at least not full-out.
If a male midget started fighting me, I wouldn't straight-out kick him in the head, would I?

I don't know why, but those exceptions are usually mora atractive than the others... except on some rare situations...

Beside, I wouldn't hit a girl... I would just hold her until she gave up...

Guys trying to hit me? Oh yeah... I would make him a roundkick on the face asap!
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Post by Philly Homer 2009-05-13, 17:52

me naam is m wrote:
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Darkjedi wrote:The bible is a historical book.

And it's not like I dug into anything controversial.
sure. the bible. a historical book, renown for it's truth, and highly uncontroversial, the whole world agrees. Rolling Eyes
EXACTLY why i disagree with jw views.

I will say that the Bible does have historical context and that it does fit it well, but there are instances where you just have to put aside reading the Bible as the ultimate, infallible historical source.

Just so I'm back on topic, I agree with the statement that women are equal to men. However, I disagree with extremist views that women are the same as men.
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Post by me naam is m 2009-05-13, 18:26

it's pretty simple, we're equal, but not same.
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Post by Darkjedi 2009-05-13, 18:56

So you don't believe that God's word is an accurate book?

Ok, whatever.

@ Me naam

Perfect explanation there.

You hit it right on.
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Post by Philly Homer 2009-05-13, 18:59

No, I see it as subject to the bias of man and thus it should never be taken literally. I don't think we're ever going to see dragons with 7 heads and 10 horns upon each head, thanks. That being said, it's theologically sound and thus why I bother to stay Christian.
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Post by me naam is m 2009-05-13, 19:00

Darkjedi wrote:So you don't believe that God's word is an accurate book?
it is accurate, yes, but not in historical context. i see the bible as one huge metaphor. but ehm, what was the topic again? scratch

and yes, i agree with alka on the bias of man.
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Post by Shemuel 2009-05-13, 19:04

Abraham pimped his wife out twice, and had concubines. I don't see many actual Christians going around doing that these days.
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Post by me naam is m 2009-05-13, 19:32

Shemuel wrote:Abraham pimped his wife out twice, and had concubines. I don't see many actual Christians going around doing that these days.
not counting a certain denomination of the church of LDS denomination huh?
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Post by Philly Homer 2009-05-13, 19:38

Like he said, not many Christians going around and doing that. Besides, they don't do it anymore.
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Post by Stryker 2009-05-13, 19:38

edit:good job on off topic, i am surprised the Topic Police aren't cracking hard on this stuff.


Ok so far we have reached
-Not the same but equal
-Not equal physically
-Psychologically can not be determined


Ok now I ask this, Should men and women have equal duties? But how far is this limited, based on the inequality of their characteristics? eg. Should men do more because they are able to do more?
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Post by me naam is m 2009-05-13, 20:01

Alkanosis wrote:Like he said, not many Christians going around and doing that. Besides, they don't do it anymore.
actually, they still do, but, as i said, not all of 'em. and even a couple thousand is too much if you're asking me.

well, for that little subtopic i'd like to take the example of the Israelean army: both men and women have the military duty in Israel. would that be okay, and, if so, would there have to be any differences in roles?

as for the subject for multiple marriages, i'd like to talk about that. I don't agree about one man having multiple women, concubines etc, where the 'traditional' image of one man having multiple, almost slavish women, but how are everyone's thoughts on polyamory on equal foot?
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Post by Philly Homer 2009-05-13, 20:12

My thoughts on all moral topics are to do what creates less problems than the other options. Polygamy is fun, yeah. But it really just creates resentment within a family (if you could even call it that) and jealousy and infighting will happen.
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Post by killerflood 2009-05-13, 22:53

Alkanosis wrote:...Polygamy is fun, yeah...

I gather that you practice it then?
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