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Hyperiums: The History of the Alpheron Empire V.1 unfinished
by Karlo 2009-05-09, 12:56
well its LONG, but its not yet done, just read this if you want to know how its going 
BTW THIS IS BASED ON THE REAL ACCOUNTS OF THE PLAYERS OF THE REAL GAME HYPERIUMS, NOTHING HERE IS MADE UP BY ME, BUT I HAVE EDITED SOME PARTS TO MAKE IT MORE SENSIBLE AS A STORY.
Hyperiums
The Alpheron Empire History
The New universe, which is the 6th unverse began in the first Supercluster, SC1, which was a blooming place for empires, and for alliances, the Alpheron Empire was part of these empires, and had an older empire in the 5th universe, and of course it had joined one of the most prestigous alliances in SC1, The Galactic Expansion Alliance (GEA) which was destined to be the best of all other alliances, lead by a leader named Musalini, he had brought the alliance to its glory, but it was only the beginning of the new universe, and by then another alliance was already on the move, the alliance that would wipe out nearly every alliance from SC1, they called themselves EH, a powerful coailiton that would drive other alliances off to other superclusters, alliances like GEA, and her allies, PRO, OWL, ROOK, ACID, Commandos 1sst and 2nd, and other alliances would fight them off, but soon they failed, and GEA and its allies were forced off to SC2, in the process, merging GEA with ROOK, and of course the Alpheron Empire was now part of the ROOK alliance, though the Alpheron Empire did not contribute anything to the war against EH, their planets still fell to the enemy, but this soon becomes the sole reason for the success in SC2… the Hyperiums Expansion Council soon decided to give the Alpheron Empire a planet in SC2, which soon lead to the expansion of the Alpheron Empire in SC2, which they named Expandatory, and soon the Alpheron Empire was able to establish 2 other planets, Endoria and Contarion. however a mal-function in the maps cause many planets to appear in different super clusters, which was soon fixed, once again however, the ROOK alliance and its allies divided the sections of SC2, however once again, all the 3 planets were in Commandos 1st Alliance territory, so the Alpheron Empire had to give the planets to Commandos 1st Alliance members, but the fleets at last were sent to a small planet in the ROOK area, which is now called Cornelius, afterwards more planets were established, the first established was named Relck 2, the second was established as a trade for the exchange of planet Endoria, called Flamingos, the other planet named Kalee, all three were peaceful expansions, other plans to take a few more planets at the same time were aborted, like the planet Omago, which was being planned to be taken by the Alpheron Empire was also being planned to be taken by another ROOK Member called the Hroddles Empire, the Alpheron Empire immideatly decided to leave the planet to the Hroddles Empire, so the Alpheron Empire decided to take another planet, but another normal expansion soon went into a war. The Alpheron Empire had sent a fleet to take another planet now called Begijn Hof, the first hours of the battle were like any other expansion, until other fleets arrived, which soon turned into a bloddy war for the planet, The Alpheron Empire was quite outnumbered, but they soon called in reinforcements from the ROOK Alliance, and eventually, The Alpheron Empire takes the planet. Another battle arises in the defense of one of the Alpheron Empire’s allies and fellow Alliance Member, the battle of Jiutepec-X8, the battle at first seemed easy to defeat, but soon, another empire, sent in more then the Alpheron Empire and its allies could handle, the leader’s name is Moloch, his forces wiped out the defenses on the planet, luckily the Alpheron Empire did not send all of its fleets, and all of the fleets on the planet that were owned by the Alpheron Empire safely escaped the masaccare.
But then, reports of violations of the boarders by the OWL alliance soon comes to the attention of the leaders to the other alliances, which soon brought ROOK to war, the war first started as ROOK being the offensive, but of course the OWL Alliance Members retaliated, but the Alpheron Empire did not participate in the war despite being a member of the ROOK Alliance, soon, the Alpheron Empire would soon decided to take 2 other planets, however this would turn out to be a door to the Alpheron Empire entering the war, which luckily ended up in peace. It turns out that the 2 planets the Alpheron Empire was gonna take turns out to be in OWL Territory, which lead to the near entering into the war for the Alpheron Alliance, the first planet, which was destined as a secondary type planet, or as a second priority planet had no problems in getting the fleets out of the planet, however the other planet, which was marked as a Primary Type planet, took longer, due to another OWL member who had been going for the planet earlier, they took the planet first cause they already had armies on the ground, and they soon activated Stasis to trap the Alpheron Empire fleets, the Alpheron Empire requested them to drop stasis to allow their fleets to leave, for the first moments, they began to question where they came from, but soon the Alpheron Empire had told that the Fleets are of ROOK Alliance, which soon put the entire fleet into jeprody, the OWL fleets on the planet appeared to be a near match to the Alpheron Empire’s fleets on the planet, then, the Leader of the Alpheron Empire soon spoke to some people in the Public Channels of ROOK, and began to tell this man about the situation, everything seemed normal till he finally reveals that he is from the Generouille Empire, which was also the fleets that took over the planet, he agreed with the Alpheron Empire and dropped stasis, and so the Alpheron Empire was able to dodge the ncessisty to go into war once again. Another situation had been occuring, that the fact that many ROOK Members did not have planets in SC2, so the Alpheron Empire soon decided to help out in getting those Empires planets in SC2. however another war had been triggered, the ACID Alliance has broken the Treaty and declared war with the ROOK Alliance, now the ROOK Alliance is being hit from 2 different areas now, even her other allies are at a standstill and are not assisting whatsoever, at the time
BTW THIS IS BASED ON THE REAL ACCOUNTS OF THE PLAYERS OF THE REAL GAME HYPERIUMS, NOTHING HERE IS MADE UP BY ME, BUT I HAVE EDITED SOME PARTS TO MAKE IT MORE SENSIBLE AS A STORY.
Hyperiums
The Alpheron Empire History
The New universe, which is the 6th unverse began in the first Supercluster, SC1, which was a blooming place for empires, and for alliances, the Alpheron Empire was part of these empires, and had an older empire in the 5th universe, and of course it had joined one of the most prestigous alliances in SC1, The Galactic Expansion Alliance (GEA) which was destined to be the best of all other alliances, lead by a leader named Musalini, he had brought the alliance to its glory, but it was only the beginning of the new universe, and by then another alliance was already on the move, the alliance that would wipe out nearly every alliance from SC1, they called themselves EH, a powerful coailiton that would drive other alliances off to other superclusters, alliances like GEA, and her allies, PRO, OWL, ROOK, ACID, Commandos 1sst and 2nd, and other alliances would fight them off, but soon they failed, and GEA and its allies were forced off to SC2, in the process, merging GEA with ROOK, and of course the Alpheron Empire was now part of the ROOK alliance, though the Alpheron Empire did not contribute anything to the war against EH, their planets still fell to the enemy, but this soon becomes the sole reason for the success in SC2… the Hyperiums Expansion Council soon decided to give the Alpheron Empire a planet in SC2, which soon lead to the expansion of the Alpheron Empire in SC2, which they named Expandatory, and soon the Alpheron Empire was able to establish 2 other planets, Endoria and Contarion. however a mal-function in the maps cause many planets to appear in different super clusters, which was soon fixed, once again however, the ROOK alliance and its allies divided the sections of SC2, however once again, all the 3 planets were in Commandos 1st Alliance territory, so the Alpheron Empire had to give the planets to Commandos 1st Alliance members, but the fleets at last were sent to a small planet in the ROOK area, which is now called Cornelius, afterwards more planets were established, the first established was named Relck 2, the second was established as a trade for the exchange of planet Endoria, called Flamingos, the other planet named Kalee, all three were peaceful expansions, other plans to take a few more planets at the same time were aborted, like the planet Omago, which was being planned to be taken by the Alpheron Empire was also being planned to be taken by another ROOK Member called the Hroddles Empire, the Alpheron Empire immideatly decided to leave the planet to the Hroddles Empire, so the Alpheron Empire decided to take another planet, but another normal expansion soon went into a war. The Alpheron Empire had sent a fleet to take another planet now called Begijn Hof, the first hours of the battle were like any other expansion, until other fleets arrived, which soon turned into a bloddy war for the planet, The Alpheron Empire was quite outnumbered, but they soon called in reinforcements from the ROOK Alliance, and eventually, The Alpheron Empire takes the planet. Another battle arises in the defense of one of the Alpheron Empire’s allies and fellow Alliance Member, the battle of Jiutepec-X8, the battle at first seemed easy to defeat, but soon, another empire, sent in more then the Alpheron Empire and its allies could handle, the leader’s name is Moloch, his forces wiped out the defenses on the planet, luckily the Alpheron Empire did not send all of its fleets, and all of the fleets on the planet that were owned by the Alpheron Empire safely escaped the masaccare.
But then, reports of violations of the boarders by the OWL alliance soon comes to the attention of the leaders to the other alliances, which soon brought ROOK to war, the war first started as ROOK being the offensive, but of course the OWL Alliance Members retaliated, but the Alpheron Empire did not participate in the war despite being a member of the ROOK Alliance, soon, the Alpheron Empire would soon decided to take 2 other planets, however this would turn out to be a door to the Alpheron Empire entering the war, which luckily ended up in peace. It turns out that the 2 planets the Alpheron Empire was gonna take turns out to be in OWL Territory, which lead to the near entering into the war for the Alpheron Alliance, the first planet, which was destined as a secondary type planet, or as a second priority planet had no problems in getting the fleets out of the planet, however the other planet, which was marked as a Primary Type planet, took longer, due to another OWL member who had been going for the planet earlier, they took the planet first cause they already had armies on the ground, and they soon activated Stasis to trap the Alpheron Empire fleets, the Alpheron Empire requested them to drop stasis to allow their fleets to leave, for the first moments, they began to question where they came from, but soon the Alpheron Empire had told that the Fleets are of ROOK Alliance, which soon put the entire fleet into jeprody, the OWL fleets on the planet appeared to be a near match to the Alpheron Empire’s fleets on the planet, then, the Leader of the Alpheron Empire soon spoke to some people in the Public Channels of ROOK, and began to tell this man about the situation, everything seemed normal till he finally reveals that he is from the Generouille Empire, which was also the fleets that took over the planet, he agreed with the Alpheron Empire and dropped stasis, and so the Alpheron Empire was able to dodge the ncessisty to go into war once again. Another situation had been occuring, that the fact that many ROOK Members did not have planets in SC2, so the Alpheron Empire soon decided to help out in getting those Empires planets in SC2. however another war had been triggered, the ACID Alliance has broken the Treaty and declared war with the ROOK Alliance, now the ROOK Alliance is being hit from 2 different areas now, even her other allies are at a standstill and are not assisting whatsoever, at the time
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Re: Hyperiums: The History of the Alpheron Empire V.1 unfinished
by Karlo 2009-05-09, 13:02
Soon after, a message was received:
“Ladies and Gentlemen, thank you for coming
This introduction is to give an overview of the current situation for EH, and where it might lead to if there is enough support for continuation.
From the first day of my appointment to defence co-ordinator, I have seen a great deal of enthusiasm for continuing, but considerably greater problems in keeping activity and fleet levels high enough to keep up with the flood of enemy fleets. Simply put, we have the people but not enough fleet/cash to go around.
Terribly high paranoia and a continuing lack of cohesion is making a swift turn around to the ongoing war very difficult; at any one moment, I do not have the information I need to make any truly impacting decisions, or when I do, not everyone who can make a difference (IE: those with fleet) are on-line.
We have had some success; the other night on planet devil-001 we managed to turn a defence around, killing of near-enough 1M of enemy fleet to a loss of ~150k, and eventually causing the enemy to run. Last night, we initiated a retake plan around that area, targeting approximately 75 planets; the success of that has yet to properly become clear, though I suspect mixed results. And finally there have been a number of clear win defences that simply haven't been posted anywhere; co-ordination among self-defined teams has allowed for ongoing defences of certain areas and continual retakes here, there and everywhere.
Now, my problem is this: with EH disbanding, it would appear there is little point continuing the fight; no leadership or long term goals means this fight has become essentially a show of dissent for the new land owners and nothing more.
With Khan, I'd like to forge a new future. I'd like to take whatever active players I can find and reforge EH into a solid ALLIANCE, not a coalition. We won't look back to the old glory days (days which didn't include me by the way), we won't take security for granted (because we can't even guarantee a future just yet) and we certainly won't attempt what the old USC1 achieved. Even our diplomatic ties won't be synonymous and assumed to be standing
I would like to build everything from scratch, in a hostile environment, surrounded by enemies, with only the fleets we currently hold and the territory we have remaining to fuel us.
If I have enough support for such a wild, dangerous plan, then I will make it succeed. But without interest, there is no activity, and that is what killed EH already; I won't attempt to keep a corpse alive.”
The information that EH was disbanding came as a shock, the entire SC1 is filled with EH Alliance Members, so SC1 could finally be free from their grasp, but with the opponents at SC1 already too powerful, it would be a massacare to go back to SC1.
The Alpheron Empire’s planet Relck 2 was preparing to produce ships for combat for defense and offensive retakes, but then, an enemy pops out of nowhere and attacks the planet, with too much ships, and many of the ROOK Members battling OWL and ACID players, Relck2 was lost, the fleets of the Alpheron Empire were already enroute to another planet they had lost to the Markus Empire, which was a member of the ACID Alliance, the fleets were not re-routed until it was clear that help could be received, the Alpheron Empire activated the Emergency Beacon and sent a message to all members of the ROOK Alliance, and soon a call for help was answered, by the Agis Empire, the empire sent in a large fleet to the Relck 2, however, the more info they gathered, the more hesitant they grew to send their fleets to Relck 2, and soon, after the other defending fleets on the planet were annihalated, the Agis Empire soon questioned if the fleets being re-routed to Relck 2 would be strong enough to survive, sadly they were only bombers with GA and with little escort, so in order to convince the Agis Empire that all of their forces combined would win, they needed more help, as the Agis Empire’s fleets were not as big as the hostile fleets at Relck 2, soon another empire responded, the Neo Hidra Empire, they had a sizable fleet that could turn the tide of the fight for Relck 2, but the distance to travel was too far, and so the Neo Hidra Empire could do little help, but another response came in by the Zerebro Empire, which had fleets stationed at Cornelius, however, the ETA(Estimated Time of Arrival) is too long and they would arrive too late, so all they could do is Teleport Ground Armies to Relck 2 to help out, but soon after the Agis Empire found out, they re-routed their fleets, the Alpheron Empire, desperate to get help, asked the Agis Empire to re-route their fleets to planet Sieben, where the hostile fleets came from, in hope that the enemy would re-route their fleets to Sieben for defense, however even with that, the ETA still shows that they would arrive on the planet too late, and Relck 2 would have already been lost, the Alpheron Empire considered Relck 2 as of military importance, as it is a Techno Class planet (a Techno is a planet naturally designed for easier production due to the abundant minerals and flat lands on the planet) The loss was tremendous, also because there were a good amount of factories on the planet. And so the planet was lost, but there were foreign fleets on the planet that held the attack for a short time, that were part of the PRO Alliance, it came from the Wun Empire, they has mistakenly misjudged their own planet’s location and believed that Relck 2 was in PRO Territory, the Alpheron Empire convinces them that Alpheron Empire’s Relck 2 wasn’t in PRO Territory
“Ladies and Gentlemen, thank you for coming
This introduction is to give an overview of the current situation for EH, and where it might lead to if there is enough support for continuation.
From the first day of my appointment to defence co-ordinator, I have seen a great deal of enthusiasm for continuing, but considerably greater problems in keeping activity and fleet levels high enough to keep up with the flood of enemy fleets. Simply put, we have the people but not enough fleet/cash to go around.
Terribly high paranoia and a continuing lack of cohesion is making a swift turn around to the ongoing war very difficult; at any one moment, I do not have the information I need to make any truly impacting decisions, or when I do, not everyone who can make a difference (IE: those with fleet) are on-line.
We have had some success; the other night on planet devil-001 we managed to turn a defence around, killing of near-enough 1M of enemy fleet to a loss of ~150k, and eventually causing the enemy to run. Last night, we initiated a retake plan around that area, targeting approximately 75 planets; the success of that has yet to properly become clear, though I suspect mixed results. And finally there have been a number of clear win defences that simply haven't been posted anywhere; co-ordination among self-defined teams has allowed for ongoing defences of certain areas and continual retakes here, there and everywhere.
Now, my problem is this: with EH disbanding, it would appear there is little point continuing the fight; no leadership or long term goals means this fight has become essentially a show of dissent for the new land owners and nothing more.
With Khan, I'd like to forge a new future. I'd like to take whatever active players I can find and reforge EH into a solid ALLIANCE, not a coalition. We won't look back to the old glory days (days which didn't include me by the way), we won't take security for granted (because we can't even guarantee a future just yet) and we certainly won't attempt what the old USC1 achieved. Even our diplomatic ties won't be synonymous and assumed to be standing
I would like to build everything from scratch, in a hostile environment, surrounded by enemies, with only the fleets we currently hold and the territory we have remaining to fuel us.
If I have enough support for such a wild, dangerous plan, then I will make it succeed. But without interest, there is no activity, and that is what killed EH already; I won't attempt to keep a corpse alive.”
The information that EH was disbanding came as a shock, the entire SC1 is filled with EH Alliance Members, so SC1 could finally be free from their grasp, but with the opponents at SC1 already too powerful, it would be a massacare to go back to SC1.
The Alpheron Empire’s planet Relck 2 was preparing to produce ships for combat for defense and offensive retakes, but then, an enemy pops out of nowhere and attacks the planet, with too much ships, and many of the ROOK Members battling OWL and ACID players, Relck2 was lost, the fleets of the Alpheron Empire were already enroute to another planet they had lost to the Markus Empire, which was a member of the ACID Alliance, the fleets were not re-routed until it was clear that help could be received, the Alpheron Empire activated the Emergency Beacon and sent a message to all members of the ROOK Alliance, and soon a call for help was answered, by the Agis Empire, the empire sent in a large fleet to the Relck 2, however, the more info they gathered, the more hesitant they grew to send their fleets to Relck 2, and soon, after the other defending fleets on the planet were annihalated, the Agis Empire soon questioned if the fleets being re-routed to Relck 2 would be strong enough to survive, sadly they were only bombers with GA and with little escort, so in order to convince the Agis Empire that all of their forces combined would win, they needed more help, as the Agis Empire’s fleets were not as big as the hostile fleets at Relck 2, soon another empire responded, the Neo Hidra Empire, they had a sizable fleet that could turn the tide of the fight for Relck 2, but the distance to travel was too far, and so the Neo Hidra Empire could do little help, but another response came in by the Zerebro Empire, which had fleets stationed at Cornelius, however, the ETA(Estimated Time of Arrival) is too long and they would arrive too late, so all they could do is Teleport Ground Armies to Relck 2 to help out, but soon after the Agis Empire found out, they re-routed their fleets, the Alpheron Empire, desperate to get help, asked the Agis Empire to re-route their fleets to planet Sieben, where the hostile fleets came from, in hope that the enemy would re-route their fleets to Sieben for defense, however even with that, the ETA still shows that they would arrive on the planet too late, and Relck 2 would have already been lost, the Alpheron Empire considered Relck 2 as of military importance, as it is a Techno Class planet (a Techno is a planet naturally designed for easier production due to the abundant minerals and flat lands on the planet) The loss was tremendous, also because there were a good amount of factories on the planet. And so the planet was lost, but there were foreign fleets on the planet that held the attack for a short time, that were part of the PRO Alliance, it came from the Wun Empire, they has mistakenly misjudged their own planet’s location and believed that Relck 2 was in PRO Territory, the Alpheron Empire convinces them that Alpheron Empire’s Relck 2 wasn’t in PRO Territory
Karlo- Ensign
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Re: Hyperiums: The History of the Alpheron Empire V.1 unfinished
by Karlo 2009-05-09, 13:04
But then, just hours after the attack on Relck 2, more fleets appear on planet Begijn Hof, the first fleets seemed to be small, but then thousands of fleets arrive soon after, their fleets are too large, and any other empire that were already routing fleets for defense, re-routed. Begijn Hof was doomed, and the Economy was falling apart.
Soon after, the fleets of the Alpheron Empire have arrived at planet Cornelius, which then they began building factories and warships, but then, a scout appears around planet Kalee, the scout came from Jiutepec-X8, a planet that was well known to the Alpheron Empire, the planet isnt tagged as an ACID or OWL Planet, but the odds were sure that they could be ACID. Days after Begijn Hof was taken over, Begijn Hof was soon tagged [-KiA-], an unknown tag, so there is a greeat chance it is a small alliance, giving us a chance to retake Begjin Hof once again, Relck 2 however is still not tagged anything and is unknown wheather it is OWL, ACID or some other alliance or some scandal empire attacking our borders. Kalee is still under our control, which the Alpheron Empire is thankful for. The planet Azteria, which was colonized while Relck 2 was under attack, was due to be for FTO ( Friendly Take Over ) by the Wind Haven Empire, which was in the list of empires that the Alpheron Empire would help assist in taking over planets for them in ROOK Territory. A new President takes over ROOK as the current president is not going to be avaibale anymore often, his name is the Flame Lord of the Flame Empire. Soon news comes out that OWL and ACID has finally accepted a treaty, and the war against OWL and ACID ends, for now, according to the Flame Lord, EH has begun attacking SC2 borders and PRO, which has caused the war of ACID and OWL with ROOK to be ended, a conversation is held about the war status:
Alpheron Empire : Are we still in war with OWL? cause i heard that we are now allies....
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Flame Lord: I'm sorry if i didnt not make things clear. Rook is no longer at war with either Acid nor Owl. We are allowed to keep the planets we still have, but we are not allowed to attack to reconquer planets we have lost. Acid and Owl are fighting -K- which are invading the area we previously occupied.
Bebert Empire: So we could retag public again ? to avoid FF ?
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Polie Empire: So what, they are allowed to keep the planets they took.
hmm that doesn't really seem like a positive solution. If they are under attack as well then we should move forward to retake the planets, and ONLY the planets we owned.
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Flame Lord: As is necessary on a forum riddled with spies, you have only heard the first part of the plan. Rook will get ample compensation eventually.
Meanwhile, what strategic benefits could be gained by intervening in a war against Acid/Owl and -K- with EH attacking Pro just over the border?
We would just be caught between all the SC1 alliances, and as a consequence, we would be finished.
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Polie Empire: Up your IDR ranking :p
Acid dont tag public too ?
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Flame Lord: Acid dont tag public either, that is correct.
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Alpheron Empire: i see, wait, EH has begun attacking SC2 Borders?
hmm, can i retake a planet not tagged ACID or OWL but tagged a different tag? an unknown tag, probably a small alliance.
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Soon after, the fleets of the Alpheron Empire have arrived at planet Cornelius, which then they began building factories and warships, but then, a scout appears around planet Kalee, the scout came from Jiutepec-X8, a planet that was well known to the Alpheron Empire, the planet isnt tagged as an ACID or OWL Planet, but the odds were sure that they could be ACID. Days after Begijn Hof was taken over, Begijn Hof was soon tagged [-KiA-], an unknown tag, so there is a greeat chance it is a small alliance, giving us a chance to retake Begjin Hof once again, Relck 2 however is still not tagged anything and is unknown wheather it is OWL, ACID or some other alliance or some scandal empire attacking our borders. Kalee is still under our control, which the Alpheron Empire is thankful for. The planet Azteria, which was colonized while Relck 2 was under attack, was due to be for FTO ( Friendly Take Over ) by the Wind Haven Empire, which was in the list of empires that the Alpheron Empire would help assist in taking over planets for them in ROOK Territory. A new President takes over ROOK as the current president is not going to be avaibale anymore often, his name is the Flame Lord of the Flame Empire. Soon news comes out that OWL and ACID has finally accepted a treaty, and the war against OWL and ACID ends, for now, according to the Flame Lord, EH has begun attacking SC2 borders and PRO, which has caused the war of ACID and OWL with ROOK to be ended, a conversation is held about the war status:
Alpheron Empire : Are we still in war with OWL? cause i heard that we are now allies....
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Flame Lord: I'm sorry if i didnt not make things clear. Rook is no longer at war with either Acid nor Owl. We are allowed to keep the planets we still have, but we are not allowed to attack to reconquer planets we have lost. Acid and Owl are fighting -K- which are invading the area we previously occupied.
Bebert Empire: So we could retag public again ? to avoid FF ?
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Polie Empire: So what, they are allowed to keep the planets they took.
hmm that doesn't really seem like a positive solution. If they are under attack as well then we should move forward to retake the planets, and ONLY the planets we owned.
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Flame Lord: As is necessary on a forum riddled with spies, you have only heard the first part of the plan. Rook will get ample compensation eventually.
Meanwhile, what strategic benefits could be gained by intervening in a war against Acid/Owl and -K- with EH attacking Pro just over the border?
We would just be caught between all the SC1 alliances, and as a consequence, we would be finished.
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Polie Empire: Up your IDR ranking :p
Acid dont tag public too ?
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Flame Lord: Acid dont tag public either, that is correct.
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Alpheron Empire: i see, wait, EH has begun attacking SC2 Borders?
hmm, can i retake a planet not tagged ACID or OWL but tagged a different tag? an unknown tag, probably a small alliance.
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Re: Hyperiums: The History of the Alpheron Empire V.1 unfinished
by Karlo 2009-05-09, 13:07
And soon, another topic is opened:
I guess many of you must be asking this question.
Well, I am going to do my best to explain to you the events of recent times.
Rook and Owl had an agreement that neither side appeared to conform to particularly well. Now due to deliberate attacks on Rook planets inside Rook core, the Rook HC of the time decided to deliver the Owls with an ultimatum to vacate Rook core totally within 48hrs.
This was fair enough, but the Owls decided that they had more fleets and not enough room, and they were'nt going to be given ultimatums by an alliance that couldnt effectivly deal with a few raiders let alone a full offensive.
At the same time, in SC1 the EH coalition had broken up, and alliances from the coalition were looking at SC2 as a place to core. Rook was seen as the weakest alliance in SC2 and the easiest target.
As a result, Acid, -k- and Owl attacked Rook.
It was at this inopportune moment that Om went inactive and Cozmo returned to work. Cozmo selected me to be president owing to my experience and commitment.
I managed to negotiate a peace with the Owls, who have taken the -66 line of our core, and ACID.
The state of Rook as it stands is unsustainable. We cannot survive as an open recruitment alliance. As you all saw, we had too many spies and everything we tried to do was compromised in some way. At the same time, we also had people who went inactive, not just Om, but ordinary members who we depended on.
So that was the reason for all the activity checks in recent days. Those inactive people have been kicked. If they do turn out to be active, they can reapply to Rook and their application will be considered by the HC.
The deal with Acid is this:
- We will surrender all but 25 planets now.
- They will help us core somewhere else when enough planets spawn.
Of course the result of this will be that we have more players than planets, and we may have to wait a long time for planets to spawn. So I have a set of orders from the HC which will make the transition easier.
All of the 25 planets will be FTO'ed to just 5 Rook members - these will include HC members and induviduals who worked hard to secure themselves some planets in core and who were active and committed during the war.
Those 5 people will recieve further instructions personally from me later.
The remainder of us will have no planets. I am in this group of people who will not have planets. We will wait to be given new hyperiums protectorate planets. For every hyp prot planet awarded in SC2, another 8 or so are created in the supercluster. Consequently, with most people getting 2 new hyp prot planets, and so spawning about 16 more planets each, we wont have to wait long for a core.
We will have to FTO our planets to ACID quickly, before -K-, who are much stronger than Acid, wipe out both Acid and us. We will only survive if Acid manages to fight off -K- and for that reason I must ask you to FTO your planets to acid players. I will post a list of ACID players in this forum soon.
Those of us with Hyp prot planets have a special job. We will develop the hyp prot planets and tele-trade between each other. The result of this should be that by the time Acid win (or lose) we have substantial banks that can be used to buy fleet from the 5 players who will be holding those 25 planets.
We can then use those banks, fleets and income to develop a new core, so that we wont be far behind the other alliances. We will also be coring a little further away from the centre of the SC than before, so that hopefully we avoid some of the conflicts going on there initially.
Thoughts and comments on this plan are welcome, and i will answer any questions you may have..
Regards,
Your President,
Fire Lord
I guess many of you must be asking this question.
Well, I am going to do my best to explain to you the events of recent times.
Rook and Owl had an agreement that neither side appeared to conform to particularly well. Now due to deliberate attacks on Rook planets inside Rook core, the Rook HC of the time decided to deliver the Owls with an ultimatum to vacate Rook core totally within 48hrs.
This was fair enough, but the Owls decided that they had more fleets and not enough room, and they were'nt going to be given ultimatums by an alliance that couldnt effectivly deal with a few raiders let alone a full offensive.
At the same time, in SC1 the EH coalition had broken up, and alliances from the coalition were looking at SC2 as a place to core. Rook was seen as the weakest alliance in SC2 and the easiest target.
As a result, Acid, -k- and Owl attacked Rook.
It was at this inopportune moment that Om went inactive and Cozmo returned to work. Cozmo selected me to be president owing to my experience and commitment.
I managed to negotiate a peace with the Owls, who have taken the -66 line of our core, and ACID.
The state of Rook as it stands is unsustainable. We cannot survive as an open recruitment alliance. As you all saw, we had too many spies and everything we tried to do was compromised in some way. At the same time, we also had people who went inactive, not just Om, but ordinary members who we depended on.
So that was the reason for all the activity checks in recent days. Those inactive people have been kicked. If they do turn out to be active, they can reapply to Rook and their application will be considered by the HC.
The deal with Acid is this:
- We will surrender all but 25 planets now.
- They will help us core somewhere else when enough planets spawn.
Of course the result of this will be that we have more players than planets, and we may have to wait a long time for planets to spawn. So I have a set of orders from the HC which will make the transition easier.
All of the 25 planets will be FTO'ed to just 5 Rook members - these will include HC members and induviduals who worked hard to secure themselves some planets in core and who were active and committed during the war.
Those 5 people will recieve further instructions personally from me later.
The remainder of us will have no planets. I am in this group of people who will not have planets. We will wait to be given new hyperiums protectorate planets. For every hyp prot planet awarded in SC2, another 8 or so are created in the supercluster. Consequently, with most people getting 2 new hyp prot planets, and so spawning about 16 more planets each, we wont have to wait long for a core.
We will have to FTO our planets to ACID quickly, before -K-, who are much stronger than Acid, wipe out both Acid and us. We will only survive if Acid manages to fight off -K- and for that reason I must ask you to FTO your planets to acid players. I will post a list of ACID players in this forum soon.
Those of us with Hyp prot planets have a special job. We will develop the hyp prot planets and tele-trade between each other. The result of this should be that by the time Acid win (or lose) we have substantial banks that can be used to buy fleet from the 5 players who will be holding those 25 planets.
We can then use those banks, fleets and income to develop a new core, so that we wont be far behind the other alliances. We will also be coring a little further away from the centre of the SC than before, so that hopefully we avoid some of the conflicts going on there initially.
Thoughts and comments on this plan are welcome, and i will answer any questions you may have..
Regards,
Your President,
Fire Lord
Karlo- Ensign
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Location : On station Alderia commanding my empire Alpheron
Registration date : 2008-09-21 -
Re: Hyperiums: The History of the Alpheron Empire V.1 unfinished
by Karlo 2009-05-19, 03:14
Now it was very clear of what has happened, with ROOK now under attack by former EH alliances, ROOK must now prepare for a complete change, the Alpheron Empire knows that there is a chance ACID will decide to take the rest of OUR core for themselves instead of for ROOK, but the Alpheron Empire is also sure that they wont do such unhonorable actions. The Alpheron Empire did not participate in the wars offensively or defensivly, they lost their planets to players not of ACID, OWL, or –K- Alliances.
The topic did not end there just yet
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Sweetness Empire: I currently only have 2 planets both Hyps.... One in SC1 and One jsut outside our "Core" in sc2 lol.
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Satal Keto Empire: The idea of people giving up their planets so that they can get two Hyp Pros is a good idea, I personally have two Hyp Pros which I tele trade between which gives me a steady income which can't be taken away from me (unless I am stupid enough to change the government).
Having those 5 members selling fleet to everyone else means that we can keep our Hyp Pro planets once we start coring. I personally suggest never giving up those planets, but its your choice.
Looking forward to finding out the rest of the plan, keep up the good work TheFlame
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Fire Lord: "I personally suggest never giving up those planets"
Right on the ball satal, that is the intention. By making sure that everyone aside from those 5 have two hyps planets, we will provide a future Rook with RP's across SC2 and Sc1, putting us in a very strong strategic position. On top of that, investment once we are cored will be focused on these hyp planets, to make sure that if Rook finds herself attacked again in the future, we will not be obliterated like we were this time.
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XnightX Empire: +100
im so glad we are being told what is going on.
presidents flame your first onehundred days are looking good. lol.
i have 2 quiet niceplanets in sc1 so i will join the TP network but im not going to give them up.
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Schwartz Empire: Sorry im too lazy to read it
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Fire Lord: *sarcasm on
That's the spirit that will lift Rook out of the dust and make us a strong alliance again! Thank you Schwartz!
*sarcasm off
Ok, so there is a sarcastic post. But read this thread. It is vital that people remain upto date with what is going on as we progress, because tactics will shift from hour to hour, day to day until we reassert ourselves as the independent alliance we deserve to be.
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Polie Republic: so we are going to be a subset of acid and/or owl?
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Fire Lord: NO
Acid has promised to help us core - that is as far as the co-operation goes.
We retain full independence in every decision we choose to make.
We are still and always have and always will be and independent alliance.
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Wind Haven Empire: Understood....
but acid does not have a good track record of honoring their agreements with us.
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Keffer Empire: That is true Windhaven, but at this particular junction, what do we really have to loose?
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Wind Haven Empire: Our tempers? LOL not much, so we are going to have to make sure those 5 get a lot of support.
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Keffer Empire: lol. I'm in with full support for those 5. I'm banking what I can with my two hyps. And to para phrase georgre burns I feel like a eunuch at a gangbang. Oh well.
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Bebert Empire: "We will have to FTO our planets to ACID quickly" if we got planet in SC2 we have to FTO the planet to us ?
The topic did not end there just yet
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Sweetness Empire: I currently only have 2 planets both Hyps.... One in SC1 and One jsut outside our "Core" in sc2 lol.
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Satal Keto Empire: The idea of people giving up their planets so that they can get two Hyp Pros is a good idea, I personally have two Hyp Pros which I tele trade between which gives me a steady income which can't be taken away from me (unless I am stupid enough to change the government).
Having those 5 members selling fleet to everyone else means that we can keep our Hyp Pro planets once we start coring. I personally suggest never giving up those planets, but its your choice.
Looking forward to finding out the rest of the plan, keep up the good work TheFlame
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Fire Lord: "I personally suggest never giving up those planets"
Right on the ball satal, that is the intention. By making sure that everyone aside from those 5 have two hyps planets, we will provide a future Rook with RP's across SC2 and Sc1, putting us in a very strong strategic position. On top of that, investment once we are cored will be focused on these hyp planets, to make sure that if Rook finds herself attacked again in the future, we will not be obliterated like we were this time.
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XnightX Empire: +100
im so glad we are being told what is going on.
presidents flame your first onehundred days are looking good. lol.
i have 2 quiet niceplanets in sc1 so i will join the TP network but im not going to give them up.
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Schwartz Empire: Sorry im too lazy to read it
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Fire Lord: *sarcasm on
That's the spirit that will lift Rook out of the dust and make us a strong alliance again! Thank you Schwartz!
*sarcasm off
Ok, so there is a sarcastic post. But read this thread. It is vital that people remain upto date with what is going on as we progress, because tactics will shift from hour to hour, day to day until we reassert ourselves as the independent alliance we deserve to be.
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Polie Republic: so we are going to be a subset of acid and/or owl?
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Fire Lord: NO
Acid has promised to help us core - that is as far as the co-operation goes.
We retain full independence in every decision we choose to make.
We are still and always have and always will be and independent alliance.
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Wind Haven Empire: Understood....
but acid does not have a good track record of honoring their agreements with us.
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Keffer Empire: That is true Windhaven, but at this particular junction, what do we really have to loose?
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Wind Haven Empire: Our tempers? LOL not much, so we are going to have to make sure those 5 get a lot of support.
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Keffer Empire: lol. I'm in with full support for those 5. I'm banking what I can with my two hyps. And to para phrase georgre burns I feel like a eunuch at a gangbang. Oh well.
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Bebert Empire: "We will have to FTO our planets to ACID quickly" if we got planet in SC2 we have to FTO the planet to us ?
Karlo- Ensign
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Age : 28
Location : On station Alderia commanding my empire Alpheron
Registration date : 2008-09-21 -
Re: Hyperiums: The History of the Alpheron Empire V.1 unfinished
by Karlo 2009-05-19, 03:15
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Fire Lord: @berb
I have a list of 25 planets which for security reasons i am not going to post here.
I will PM the owners shortly and start to arrange FTOs.
If ACID players land on your planets, its because those planets were not on the list of 25 we agreed to keep. That could be because you didnt follow instructions and PM me your planets, or it could be because there were other planets deemed strategically more important.
Does that answer your question?
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Wind Haven Empire: Hate to display my density but....
1. fto to acid does not include Hyper Protected planets correct?
2. Are planets in sc1 included in this deal?
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Satal Keto Empire: 1. I don't know
2. No, this will only effect planets in the ROOK core (are we still calling it that?)
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Bebert Empire: thx that totaly answer to my question
its just to know if i could invest on exploit or factory in my SC2 planet
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Wind Haven Empire: I spawned just outside the core yippee.
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Polie Republic: keep your hyps planets. Only fto them if they pay you WELL for them.
it still does not make sense. To me it seems like they are just going to tromp over us, take what they want, and then leave w/o actually ever paying. I just dont trust them.
IIRC it was the Owls who started coming across the lines and instead of HC action we where ordered to war. Either that or there's a fail in communication going on.
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Satal Keto Empire: The only circumstances when you should FTO is if you have a planet which you don't want and you will be down to one planet so you will receive a new planet from Hyperiums.
Each member having two Hyp Pros is part of the overall plan for ROOK.
It will give us a tactical advantage.
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Schwartz Empire: fine ill read it
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Schwarts Empire: im in sc1 so am i safe??????
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Satal Keto Empire: That was also asked by Windhaven
"Hate to display my density but....
1. fto to acid does not include Hyper Protected planets correct?
2. Are planets in sc1 included in this deal?"
My response was
"1. I don't know
2. No, this will only effect planets in the ROOK core (are we still calling it that?)"
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Ktula Empire: Sounds solid to me. I like it!
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Fire Lord: Keep your SC1 planets - they are not part of the deal.
Keep all planets outside of the area of space that was Rook core (we will call it that until it fully becomes someone elses core)
You could FTO hyps planets if you wanted to, but i'd rather you didnt, it would be better if you kept the ones you had and invested in them.
All planets in Rook core, aside from 24 (i did say 25, but that was a mistake) must be FTO'd to Acid.
Those 24 planet owners will recieve a messege from me telling them who to FTO the planet to.
Everyone else will move their fleets to one of several RPs and these fleets will be sold to the 5 players who are going to be carrying the flag for Rook for the next week or so.
The rest of us sit back and whore for a bit, while the 5 will recieve their own instructions.
Hope that clears things up,
~Fire
Fire Lord: @berb
I have a list of 25 planets which for security reasons i am not going to post here.
I will PM the owners shortly and start to arrange FTOs.
If ACID players land on your planets, its because those planets were not on the list of 25 we agreed to keep. That could be because you didnt follow instructions and PM me your planets, or it could be because there were other planets deemed strategically more important.
Does that answer your question?
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Wind Haven Empire: Hate to display my density but....
1. fto to acid does not include Hyper Protected planets correct?
2. Are planets in sc1 included in this deal?
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Satal Keto Empire: 1. I don't know
2. No, this will only effect planets in the ROOK core (are we still calling it that?)
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Bebert Empire: thx that totaly answer to my question
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Wind Haven Empire:
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Polie Republic: keep your hyps planets. Only fto them if they pay you WELL for them.
it still does not make sense. To me it seems like they are just going to tromp over us, take what they want, and then leave w/o actually ever paying. I just dont trust them.
IIRC it was the Owls who started coming across the lines and instead of HC action we where ordered to war. Either that or there's a fail in communication going on.
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Satal Keto Empire: The only circumstances when you should FTO is if you have a planet which you don't want and you will be down to one planet so you will receive a new planet from Hyperiums.
Each member having two Hyp Pros is part of the overall plan for ROOK.
It will give us a tactical advantage.
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Schwartz Empire: fine ill read it
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Schwarts Empire: im in sc1 so am i safe??????
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Satal Keto Empire: That was also asked by Windhaven
"Hate to display my density but....
1. fto to acid does not include Hyper Protected planets correct?
2. Are planets in sc1 included in this deal?"
My response was
"1. I don't know
2. No, this will only effect planets in the ROOK core (are we still calling it that?)"
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Ktula Empire: Sounds solid to me. I like it!
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Fire Lord: Keep your SC1 planets - they are not part of the deal.
Keep all planets outside of the area of space that was Rook core (we will call it that until it fully becomes someone elses core)
You could FTO hyps planets if you wanted to, but i'd rather you didnt, it would be better if you kept the ones you had and invested in them.
All planets in Rook core, aside from 24 (i did say 25, but that was a mistake) must be FTO'd to Acid.
Those 24 planet owners will recieve a messege from me telling them who to FTO the planet to.
Everyone else will move their fleets to one of several RPs and these fleets will be sold to the 5 players who are going to be carrying the flag for Rook for the next week or so.
The rest of us sit back and whore for a bit, while the 5 will recieve their own instructions.
Hope that clears things up,
~Fire
Karlo- Ensign
- Number of posts : 742
Age : 28
Location : On station Alderia commanding my empire Alpheron
Registration date : 2008-09-21 -
Re: Hyperiums: The History of the Alpheron Empire V.1 unfinished
by Karlo 2009-05-19, 03:15
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Satal Keto Empire: Acknowledged
/me sends his vast fleets to the RP's
/me then realises that he has no fleet
/me cries
xD
To quote Chris Griffin, "If I didn't learn to laugh at myself, I would be dead by now."
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Jfighter Empire: also i think we should make a list of our hyp planets so we can all trade with eachother. we should make a post for if you have extra exploits so another player can pick them up and help both of the players.
flame i think this was a good choice.... not that we had much of one. lol. i appreciate the hard work. i have money waiting for the players that get these planets cause we will need lots of factories.
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Satal Keto Empire: Personally I recommend trading with yourself if at all possible, that way you can manage your trades easier, without having to be PMing lots of people asking for them to increase the number of exploits they have for your planet.
Obviously there are occasions where this is not possible (like Cozmo who has two AHs) but otherwise I feel that we should trade with ourselves.
Also if we start giving people information about what Hyp Pros are ours then that information is likely to get leaked to other alliances, and if ROOK makes any deals with an alliance that has some known ROOK members Hyp Pros, that could quickly become something that gets asked for.
As always this is my opinion and not an order (not that I have the power to anyway
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Jfighter Empire: that is a good point... but with hyp planets there isn't much anyone can do about them. and i think that most of our hyp planets will be pretty scattered. i don't think any alliance would try to just take a couple hyp.
then again what do i know? haha
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Fire Lord Empire: Satal has raised the problem pretty well.
Rook's hyp pros will be difficult to replace at a later date, as to get new ones you would have to lose your core and then wait a week to be given two planets.
The onus will be on self trade. Where this isnt possible, a different forum will be created where only those with two hyp pro's of the same type will be allowed in. That should minimise the risk of the information getting out, but nonetheless, we will try to avoid this at all costs.
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Jfighter Empire: it won't let me trade with my own planet ane they are not the same race.... i think they are too far apart?
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Satal Keto Empire: @jfighter
Imagine you've been assigned a core and one of those planets is a Hyp Pro, which belongs to an ally, I don't know about you buy I would be bitching and moaning saying that as the planet is in our core our ally should FTO it to us.
The only way to avoid this is to not let anyone know what our Hyp Pros are called, admittedly there is the fact that at least one will be in the member list but I personally trust the HC not to give my information away to anyone even an ally (unless it is really necessary)
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Jfighter Empire: ya thats true, so i guess it should always be tagged private
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Jfighter Empire: wow never mind i just did it sorry.
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Satal Keto Empire: Acknowledged
/me sends his vast fleets to the RP's
/me then realises that he has no fleet
/me cries
xD
To quote Chris Griffin, "If I didn't learn to laugh at myself, I would be dead by now."
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Jfighter Empire: also i think we should make a list of our hyp planets so we can all trade with eachother. we should make a post for if you have extra exploits so another player can pick them up and help both of the players.
flame i think this was a good choice.... not that we had much of one. lol. i appreciate the hard work. i have money waiting for the players that get these planets cause we will need lots of factories.
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Satal Keto Empire: Personally I recommend trading with yourself if at all possible, that way you can manage your trades easier, without having to be PMing lots of people asking for them to increase the number of exploits they have for your planet.
Obviously there are occasions where this is not possible (like Cozmo who has two AHs) but otherwise I feel that we should trade with ourselves.
Also if we start giving people information about what Hyp Pros are ours then that information is likely to get leaked to other alliances, and if ROOK makes any deals with an alliance that has some known ROOK members Hyp Pros, that could quickly become something that gets asked for.
As always this is my opinion and not an order (not that I have the power to anyway
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Jfighter Empire: that is a good point... but with hyp planets there isn't much anyone can do about them. and i think that most of our hyp planets will be pretty scattered. i don't think any alliance would try to just take a couple hyp.
then again what do i know? haha
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Fire Lord Empire: Satal has raised the problem pretty well.
Rook's hyp pros will be difficult to replace at a later date, as to get new ones you would have to lose your core and then wait a week to be given two planets.
The onus will be on self trade. Where this isnt possible, a different forum will be created where only those with two hyp pro's of the same type will be allowed in. That should minimise the risk of the information getting out, but nonetheless, we will try to avoid this at all costs.
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Jfighter Empire: it won't let me trade with my own planet ane they are not the same race.... i think they are too far apart?
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Satal Keto Empire: @jfighter
Imagine you've been assigned a core and one of those planets is a Hyp Pro, which belongs to an ally, I don't know about you buy I would be bitching and moaning saying that as the planet is in our core our ally should FTO it to us.
The only way to avoid this is to not let anyone know what our Hyp Pros are called, admittedly there is the fact that at least one will be in the member list but I personally trust the HC not to give my information away to anyone even an ally (unless it is really necessary)
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Jfighter Empire: ya thats true, so i guess it should always be tagged private
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Jfighter Empire: wow never mind i just did it sorry.
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Karlo- Ensign
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Age : 28
Location : On station Alderia commanding my empire Alpheron
Registration date : 2008-09-21 -
Re: Hyperiums: The History of the Alpheron Empire V.1 unfinished
by Karlo 2009-05-19, 03:16
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Satal Keto Empire: @jfighter
Are they the same production type though?
If they're both Agros say, then you can't trade between them.
I have never heard of Hyperiums placing a limit on the distance two planets can be for trading.
Are you ensuring to select Teleportation as the transport method for the trade?
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Fire Lord: Hyp pro's as a rule should always be private. They are the first thing that alliances go after when cores are defined between each other.
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Jfighter: ya i got it.... i was trying to do it through maps and markets.... so that didn't work too well
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Queenie Empire: I really must say that this idea is crappy.... You have to doomthink this for a moment... Ask yourself the question "What if....?"
WHAT IF: ACID just doesn't hold up to the deal.
WHAT IF: they lose and because of that don't hold up to the deal?
WHAT IF: they just keep on taking our planets if you ever take one over or switch government system? ... They know that we will be weak.
WHAT IF: the evil spirits in ACID will take advantage of that knowledge?
WHAT IF: they are making deals with other alliances and telling them what you agreed to do?
WHAT IF: other alliances that know about that try to repeat (what will then be history) it?
and i can keep writing things like that...
It is a crappy diplomatic decission and it is admitting that we are weak and desperate.
Not only that, but worse, it is admitting that you do NOT believe in our alliance; and what's the point of leading an alliance where you do not believe in?
Ask yourself that question please. Just think about it for a moment, that's all i ask.
Queenie°°
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Wind Haven Empire: Ah, but the biggest 'what if' is What if we don't?
Fleets in shambles so much strength lost.
Then there is the old addage:
'He who runs lives to fight another day.'
How long could our remnants hold on in a war of attrition when we are so badly outnumbered. My crystal ball maybe clouded up but this way there is still hope.
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Fire Lord: I lead this alliance because i believe fully in its members and their capabilities. I would not be up at 2 am talking to the prez of ACID if i did not fully believe in you guys.
Queenie, these "doomthinking" suggestions of yours are fatally flawed. Think yourself for a minute - what choice did Rook have when i became President?
We could have continued the war, against impossible odds - against ACID, -K-, X, and o.O as well as elements of the EH/Pro war just accross the border. Clearly, when we only had 24 non-hyp planets left in SC2, that would have been suicide.
So we had to make peace. K and X were not officially at war, and so would not make peace. The Owls were under attack themselves, and so could see the merit in peace, and Acid too are under attack. So all sides accepted peace was the best solution.
Now we are caught between what is the beginnings of an Acid/Owl vs K/X war, although things are nowhere near that clear yet.
What do you want us to do? Counter-attack? With no fleets?
I am not concerned with theoretical committments to Rook, I am comitted to this alliance and I show it by making it survive. I have found a loophole out of this predicament that will enable Rook to begin to secure herself a core soon.
I cannot be more specific now, and there are elements of this plan that i have not released, simply because of the security aspect of this forum.
Acid will hold up the deal because it is in their interests, and even if they didnt, as ferddy recommended, the HC has contingencies.
We need you all behind us (the HC) if this plan is going to work...
Regards,
~Fire
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Alpheron Empire:
im sure we all believe in you
@queenie
don't forget that this is only part of the plan
Satal Keto Empire: @jfighter
Are they the same production type though?
If they're both Agros say, then you can't trade between them.
I have never heard of Hyperiums placing a limit on the distance two planets can be for trading.
Are you ensuring to select Teleportation as the transport method for the trade?
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Fire Lord: Hyp pro's as a rule should always be private. They are the first thing that alliances go after when cores are defined between each other.
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Jfighter: ya i got it.... i was trying to do it through maps and markets.... so that didn't work too well
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Queenie Empire: I really must say that this idea is crappy.... You have to doomthink this for a moment... Ask yourself the question "What if....?"
WHAT IF: ACID just doesn't hold up to the deal.
WHAT IF: they lose and because of that don't hold up to the deal?
WHAT IF: they just keep on taking our planets if you ever take one over or switch government system? ... They know that we will be weak.
WHAT IF: the evil spirits in ACID will take advantage of that knowledge?
WHAT IF: they are making deals with other alliances and telling them what you agreed to do?
WHAT IF: other alliances that know about that try to repeat (what will then be history) it?
and i can keep writing things like that...
It is a crappy diplomatic decission and it is admitting that we are weak and desperate.
Not only that, but worse, it is admitting that you do NOT believe in our alliance; and what's the point of leading an alliance where you do not believe in?
Ask yourself that question please. Just think about it for a moment, that's all i ask.
Queenie°°
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Wind Haven Empire: Ah, but the biggest 'what if' is What if we don't?
Fleets in shambles so much strength lost.
Then there is the old addage:
'He who runs lives to fight another day.'
How long could our remnants hold on in a war of attrition when we are so badly outnumbered. My crystal ball maybe clouded up but this way there is still hope.
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Fire Lord: I lead this alliance because i believe fully in its members and their capabilities. I would not be up at 2 am talking to the prez of ACID if i did not fully believe in you guys.
Queenie, these "doomthinking" suggestions of yours are fatally flawed. Think yourself for a minute - what choice did Rook have when i became President?
We could have continued the war, against impossible odds - against ACID, -K-, X, and o.O as well as elements of the EH/Pro war just accross the border. Clearly, when we only had 24 non-hyp planets left in SC2, that would have been suicide.
So we had to make peace. K and X were not officially at war, and so would not make peace. The Owls were under attack themselves, and so could see the merit in peace, and Acid too are under attack. So all sides accepted peace was the best solution.
Now we are caught between what is the beginnings of an Acid/Owl vs K/X war, although things are nowhere near that clear yet.
What do you want us to do? Counter-attack? With no fleets?
I am not concerned with theoretical committments to Rook, I am comitted to this alliance and I show it by making it survive. I have found a loophole out of this predicament that will enable Rook to begin to secure herself a core soon.
I cannot be more specific now, and there are elements of this plan that i have not released, simply because of the security aspect of this forum.
Acid will hold up the deal because it is in their interests, and even if they didnt, as ferddy recommended, the HC has contingencies.
We need you all behind us (the HC) if this plan is going to work...
Regards,
~Fire
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Alpheron Empire:
im sure we all believe in you
@queenie
don't forget that this is only part of the plan
Karlo- Ensign
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Re: Hyperiums: The History of the Alpheron Empire V.1 unfinished
by Karlo 2009-05-19, 03:16
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Queenie/Nixx Empire: this is queenie talking,
i can understand that you say it is in the best interest of ROOK. But this is not how you should act, i did lead defence alliances and come on, you cannot expect us to be fully behind the plan if you do not tell us the whole of it.
The way i see it, and i can be wrong (but please, fill me in properly if i do see it wrong)
If you say we only have 24 planets not under protection, then it's the only planets we can lose...
why would we go down without even a fight...? Just get rid of them by saying we need to discus it with the alliance and decide who is going to give the planets...
Meanwhile put EVERYTHING on army, fleets. Teleport your protected army to your non protected planets.
We will might still lose, we will not be pushovers. We will not go down without a fight.
And if you organise defence you could still save a few planets. We would lose some, but not all...
If there is a war i want to feel it, not just surrender..
After all, that's what these games are about living at war, helping eachother, saving what can be saved, winning and losing... That is why you play the game.
What's the point of just building out your planets if you never have the risk to lose them? It wouldn't be fun, it would be boring.
I'm just saying... There are other ways to deal with this. If there is a war that ACID can't win on it's own, just find an alliance that is also an enemy of the alliance where ACID is fighting against.
Make them fight, while we build up backup army. We can be the alliance that makes ACID win the war by defending there planets... Not just give ours to them....
Don't say it isn't possible, i did run defence alliance on the top in other game, i was diplomat a few times before. Just ask friendly, make sure the benefits are shown.
It is possible , you just need to believe in it and make the coorporation work.
Queenie°°
(i post under account of Nixx because we are BF-GF and we try not to switch accounts too often if we are in the same place)
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Fire Lord: I cannont tell you the entire plan because there are security issues with this forum as you should well know.
We will need support to find a new core, we cannot sit around for months building up and buying fleet from hyp prots.
The fastest way to secure a core is to co-operate with someone who will help us - hence Acid.
Now, Acid has the fleet and money to do pretty much what it wants. The limiting factor on Acid is its number of planets - not enough to core.
If they dont have enough planets, they cant transfer their money into fleets and win the war.
We are giving them planets so that they can do this.
We are giving them about 1/3rd of our remaining planets - considering we lost the war, i think that a very fair agreement - that they should deign to let us keep planets at all is a huge step.
There is going to be fighting soon. Not all of us will be directly involved, but depending on how active people are and how things go, i think it likely that more people will be added to the 5 who will be doing the fighting at the moment.
If your income from hyp prot planets is high enough, you will be allowed to buy fleet and fight with the 5.
One war has finished, and a new one is beginning.
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Schwartz Empire: i like nixx's idea
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Bebert Empire: I am agree with you but i think you see the auto generate thread when you were attacked and you see the 400k and more of ACID so even if you put all in army how much time you need to fight against more than 400k not a lot of player in ROOK could fight against them with the actual situation. The war is already finish and if you didnt see it ts because we loose really really fast
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Keffer Empire: I'm with firelord. I feel at this point, somethings are better left unsaid and for the record, I'm not part of the 5 with planets and I have no idea what the plan is. What I do know is I've played with firelord and the other HC members since last round and I trust them without exception. I am sure they are doing what they can to help RooK make it out of our current situation. All the rest of us can do is trust in that.
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Queenie Empire: I understand Keffer his situation, if i would be in his, i would trust them too. But fact is that i'm not in that situation. So it's difficult for me to have trust in them , specially when in my believes they could act differently..
Because i really believe this situation could be solved with differnet actions.
TheFlame, you can just make them the offer i came up with... If they have the planets, or just get the army as defense ... Almost the same, but with better results for us.
Queenie°°
Queenie/Nixx Empire: this is queenie talking,
i can understand that you say it is in the best interest of ROOK. But this is not how you should act, i did lead defence alliances and come on, you cannot expect us to be fully behind the plan if you do not tell us the whole of it.
The way i see it, and i can be wrong (but please, fill me in properly if i do see it wrong)
If you say we only have 24 planets not under protection, then it's the only planets we can lose...
why would we go down without even a fight...? Just get rid of them by saying we need to discus it with the alliance and decide who is going to give the planets...
Meanwhile put EVERYTHING on army, fleets. Teleport your protected army to your non protected planets.
We will might still lose, we will not be pushovers. We will not go down without a fight.
And if you organise defence you could still save a few planets. We would lose some, but not all...
If there is a war i want to feel it, not just surrender..
After all, that's what these games are about living at war, helping eachother, saving what can be saved, winning and losing... That is why you play the game.
What's the point of just building out your planets if you never have the risk to lose them? It wouldn't be fun, it would be boring.
I'm just saying... There are other ways to deal with this. If there is a war that ACID can't win on it's own, just find an alliance that is also an enemy of the alliance where ACID is fighting against.
Make them fight, while we build up backup army. We can be the alliance that makes ACID win the war by defending there planets... Not just give ours to them....
Don't say it isn't possible, i did run defence alliance on the top in other game, i was diplomat a few times before. Just ask friendly, make sure the benefits are shown.
It is possible , you just need to believe in it and make the coorporation work.
Queenie°°
(i post under account of Nixx because we are BF-GF and we try not to switch accounts too often if we are in the same place)
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Fire Lord: I cannont tell you the entire plan because there are security issues with this forum as you should well know.
We will need support to find a new core, we cannot sit around for months building up and buying fleet from hyp prots.
The fastest way to secure a core is to co-operate with someone who will help us - hence Acid.
Now, Acid has the fleet and money to do pretty much what it wants. The limiting factor on Acid is its number of planets - not enough to core.
If they dont have enough planets, they cant transfer their money into fleets and win the war.
We are giving them planets so that they can do this.
We are giving them about 1/3rd of our remaining planets - considering we lost the war, i think that a very fair agreement - that they should deign to let us keep planets at all is a huge step.
There is going to be fighting soon. Not all of us will be directly involved, but depending on how active people are and how things go, i think it likely that more people will be added to the 5 who will be doing the fighting at the moment.
If your income from hyp prot planets is high enough, you will be allowed to buy fleet and fight with the 5.
One war has finished, and a new one is beginning.
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Schwartz Empire: i like nixx's idea
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Bebert Empire: I am agree with you but i think you see the auto generate thread when you were attacked and you see the 400k and more of ACID so even if you put all in army how much time you need to fight against more than 400k not a lot of player in ROOK could fight against them with the actual situation. The war is already finish and if you didnt see it ts because we loose really really fast
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Keffer Empire: I'm with firelord. I feel at this point, somethings are better left unsaid and for the record, I'm not part of the 5 with planets and I have no idea what the plan is. What I do know is I've played with firelord and the other HC members since last round and I trust them without exception. I am sure they are doing what they can to help RooK make it out of our current situation. All the rest of us can do is trust in that.
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Queenie Empire: I understand Keffer his situation, if i would be in his, i would trust them too. But fact is that i'm not in that situation. So it's difficult for me to have trust in them , specially when in my believes they could act differently..
Because i really believe this situation could be solved with differnet actions.
TheFlame, you can just make them the offer i came up with... If they have the planets, or just get the army as defense ... Almost the same, but with better results for us.
Queenie°°
Karlo- Ensign
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Age : 28
Location : On station Alderia commanding my empire Alpheron
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Re: Hyperiums: The History of the Alpheron Empire V.1 unfinished
by Karlo 2009-05-19, 03:17
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Fire Lord: Queenie. I am not going to attempt to change the agreement now. The plan is too far advanced. This plan provides all we need. Now Rook needs active people who are loyal and prepared to debate with the HC on our actions.
But we are the losing partner, and i will not force Rook to its destruction over some misguided sense of pride. We are not going to go kamikaze against ACID, -K-, X, FFIH, and OWL.
Question my concern for the alliance all you wish, but i will act to preserve, protect and enhance Rook at all turns, not to destroy it by attacking someone with whom our interests would be better served by working with to repulse others.
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Queenie Empire: What kind of c**p is this? quote: "We are not going to go kamikaze against ACID, -K-, X, FFIH, and OWL. "
I did NOT say such thing at all.
First I said to be resistant, to just not FTO but let them try to take it. But then I said to DEFEND PLANETS that are ACID, which is a GOOD idea.
And it is your pride.. You do not even want to TRY it. That is diplomatic failure because you are not open for any ideas...
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Bebert Empire: Queenie i am totally agree to just not FTO the planet and fight but who here can fight against ACID ? who here have more than 500k of fleet ?
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Queenie Empire: What kind of c**p is this? quote: "We are not going to go kamikaze against ACID, -K-, X, FFIH, and OWL. "
I did NOT say such thing at all.
First I said to be resistant, to just not FTO but let them try to take it. But then I said to DEFEND PLANETS that are ACID, which is a GOOD idea.
And it is your pride.. You do not even want to TRY it. That is diplomatic failure because you are not open for any ideas...
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Queenie Empire: C**p , sorry, i hit F5 and it send my message again...
But once again... You people aren't hearing me at all...
I am telling that we should try to ask towards ACID to not just FTO but instead of that , DEFENDING there planets
So i am saying... people make fleets like crazy, and place them around ACID planets..
Aren't you people getting this ??
DEFEND ACID not make war with them ... DEFEND
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Nixx Empire: "Queenie i am totally agree to just not FTO the planet and fight but who here can fight against ACID ? who here have more than 500k of fleet ?"
Oh, let's say me and queenie are getting pretty close to getting more than that together
Fire Lord: Queenie. I am not going to attempt to change the agreement now. The plan is too far advanced. This plan provides all we need. Now Rook needs active people who are loyal and prepared to debate with the HC on our actions.
But we are the losing partner, and i will not force Rook to its destruction over some misguided sense of pride. We are not going to go kamikaze against ACID, -K-, X, FFIH, and OWL.
Question my concern for the alliance all you wish, but i will act to preserve, protect and enhance Rook at all turns, not to destroy it by attacking someone with whom our interests would be better served by working with to repulse others.
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Queenie Empire: What kind of c**p is this? quote: "We are not going to go kamikaze against ACID, -K-, X, FFIH, and OWL. "
I did NOT say such thing at all.
First I said to be resistant, to just not FTO but let them try to take it. But then I said to DEFEND PLANETS that are ACID, which is a GOOD idea.
And it is your pride.. You do not even want to TRY it. That is diplomatic failure because you are not open for any ideas...
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Bebert Empire: Queenie i am totally agree to just not FTO the planet and fight but who here can fight against ACID ? who here have more than 500k of fleet ?
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Queenie Empire: What kind of c**p is this? quote: "We are not going to go kamikaze against ACID, -K-, X, FFIH, and OWL. "
I did NOT say such thing at all.
First I said to be resistant, to just not FTO but let them try to take it. But then I said to DEFEND PLANETS that are ACID, which is a GOOD idea.
And it is your pride.. You do not even want to TRY it. That is diplomatic failure because you are not open for any ideas...
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Queenie Empire: C**p , sorry, i hit F5 and it send my message again...
But once again... You people aren't hearing me at all...
I am telling that we should try to ask towards ACID to not just FTO but instead of that , DEFENDING there planets
So i am saying... people make fleets like crazy, and place them around ACID planets..
Aren't you people getting this ??
DEFEND ACID not make war with them ... DEFEND
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Nixx Empire: "Queenie i am totally agree to just not FTO the planet and fight but who here can fight against ACID ? who here have more than 500k of fleet ?"
Oh, let's say me and queenie are getting pretty close to getting more than that together
Karlo- Ensign
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Re: Hyperiums: The History of the Alpheron Empire V.1 unfinished
by Karlo 2009-05-19, 03:23
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Ah, I get what Queenie is saying, but it will still take time to rebuild. Perhaps that is part of the plan or perhaps when we get some fleets we maybe on call to do so. At the moment though I see that we are avoiding get caught up in a war where we can not defend ourselves let alone someone else.
While it is frustrating to be hiding in caves at least we still have some caves. Besides most of us have no idea what Acid is thinking. They may be quite happy for us to be quiet and holding space around them as a buffer zone with our depleted strength.
Personally I have no strength left, so I have no ability to do other than follow the orders. LOL, one isolated hype, couldn't do anything if I wanted to for a while.
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Fire Lord: Queenie.
I have tried very patiently to explain this to you in our PMs.
You seem to be resistant to logic. You say you want to challenge ACID to see how many planets they can take off us, and then you want to defend their planets?
You are acting totally out of selfish concern for your own planets. Elevate your vision and see what the alliance needs, not just yourself.
Acid can defend their own planets, they do not need or want our help. There are all sorts of logistical problems in defending ACID planets - namely parano, stasis problems etc.
It is far simpler if ACID looks after its planets, and we look after our own.
WE LOST THE WAR and as such are not in the position to negotiate further concessions from ACID. Dont you dare accuse me of poor diplomacy when you naively believe that ACID will be open to suggestions from us. Even suggesting such a plan, when it is fraught with logistical and communicational problems, will cost this alliance face. The HC is trying to present Rook as an alliance capable of standing on its own two feet, and soon to be a force in the galaxy.
We will not do that by making what are quite frankly n00bish suggestions.
If anyone else has a suggestion that will actually work, please PM it to me. The plan as outlined in this thread is already far advanced, and we will continue to pursue it for now. We cannot keep changing our minds - ACID and anyone else wont work with us if we do.
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God of War: hmmm.... maybe a bit too blatant there, but i know not of the pm's exchanged so maybe it was warranted.
Overall guys, right now is a huge period of change!!!
What you guys need to believe right now is that all of us are working for the future of this alliance, and we are. I just ask you, as a personal favor to me, to chill out for a few days, post in the bar or the new 3 word story... hold out until this situation is resolved completely and the plans are put into effect...
I'm not going to lie and say that there are things we(HC) know that we are not relaying to you, but i will say that everything that is going on is for YOU. We are working our ARSES off to secure ROOK a future of life and prosperity. And we are getting closer!!
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Queenie Empire: Yes there were indeed a lot of PMs and I must say that when I read the post of GodOfWar, I feel that he did read my posts properly and that he tries to explain honestly, instead of trying to get rid of me.
As for theflame ... Do you still not getting it? I do not want to take their planets or fight ACID or whatever you think...
I did say that I would rather defend my own planets, but when people made me realise that would work I came up with another plan that could be successful IF you gave it a TRY.
That plan was that we could DEFEND (I believe I typed it in capitals more than 10 times now) acids planets.
It is not a noobish plan because I have made that plan work before. You are just too proud to admit that somebody else his/her plan could be better.
And now after trying to get rid of me 10 times yes, it is probably too f*cking late to try it. And GodOfWar, I don't question that you guys worked hard for it. I just thought that you maybe overlooked a possible way to make it better for BOTH sides.
Sorry, theflame but you do not come over as a person that really listens to other ideas or problems..
best example, at the end of your post you say that any suggestions are welcome in pm, but then a sentence later you kinda say but we will not do anything with it because the plan is already too far advanced....
That is just contradicting .. why bother putting thought in ideas and pm it if you are not going to do something about it?
If you really want me to FTO then someone else better pm to me somebody that actually listens to what i say, because I did repeat myself a lot of times because the words I said where just taken out of context and raped.
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God of War: after reading these posts and responses, it is clear that there was a definite misunderstanding that has escalated because of tempers due to our current situation... Queenie, if you need anything, just pm me and i will try and resolve any issues, i will also listen to and contemplate any plans any of you propose. I see your point Queenie and i think Firelord's overzealous responses are due to nothing more than stress over the current situation. I apologize in his place and hope that you understand what kind of responsibilities have been thrust upon us all in this time of reorganization.
Ah, I get what Queenie is saying, but it will still take time to rebuild. Perhaps that is part of the plan or perhaps when we get some fleets we maybe on call to do so. At the moment though I see that we are avoiding get caught up in a war where we can not defend ourselves let alone someone else.
While it is frustrating to be hiding in caves at least we still have some caves. Besides most of us have no idea what Acid is thinking. They may be quite happy for us to be quiet and holding space around them as a buffer zone with our depleted strength.
Personally I have no strength left, so I have no ability to do other than follow the orders. LOL, one isolated hype, couldn't do anything if I wanted to for a while.
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Fire Lord: Queenie.
I have tried very patiently to explain this to you in our PMs.
You seem to be resistant to logic. You say you want to challenge ACID to see how many planets they can take off us, and then you want to defend their planets?
You are acting totally out of selfish concern for your own planets. Elevate your vision and see what the alliance needs, not just yourself.
Acid can defend their own planets, they do not need or want our help. There are all sorts of logistical problems in defending ACID planets - namely parano, stasis problems etc.
It is far simpler if ACID looks after its planets, and we look after our own.
WE LOST THE WAR and as such are not in the position to negotiate further concessions from ACID. Dont you dare accuse me of poor diplomacy when you naively believe that ACID will be open to suggestions from us. Even suggesting such a plan, when it is fraught with logistical and communicational problems, will cost this alliance face. The HC is trying to present Rook as an alliance capable of standing on its own two feet, and soon to be a force in the galaxy.
We will not do that by making what are quite frankly n00bish suggestions.
If anyone else has a suggestion that will actually work, please PM it to me. The plan as outlined in this thread is already far advanced, and we will continue to pursue it for now. We cannot keep changing our minds - ACID and anyone else wont work with us if we do.
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God of War: hmmm.... maybe a bit too blatant there, but i know not of the pm's exchanged so maybe it was warranted.
Overall guys, right now is a huge period of change!!!
What you guys need to believe right now is that all of us are working for the future of this alliance, and we are. I just ask you, as a personal favor to me, to chill out for a few days, post in the bar or the new 3 word story... hold out until this situation is resolved completely and the plans are put into effect...
I'm not going to lie and say that there are things we(HC) know that we are not relaying to you, but i will say that everything that is going on is for YOU. We are working our ARSES off to secure ROOK a future of life and prosperity. And we are getting closer!!
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Queenie Empire: Yes there were indeed a lot of PMs and I must say that when I read the post of GodOfWar, I feel that he did read my posts properly and that he tries to explain honestly, instead of trying to get rid of me.
As for theflame ... Do you still not getting it? I do not want to take their planets or fight ACID or whatever you think...
I did say that I would rather defend my own planets, but when people made me realise that would work I came up with another plan that could be successful IF you gave it a TRY.
That plan was that we could DEFEND (I believe I typed it in capitals more than 10 times now) acids planets.
It is not a noobish plan because I have made that plan work before. You are just too proud to admit that somebody else his/her plan could be better.
And now after trying to get rid of me 10 times yes, it is probably too f*cking late to try it. And GodOfWar, I don't question that you guys worked hard for it. I just thought that you maybe overlooked a possible way to make it better for BOTH sides.
Sorry, theflame but you do not come over as a person that really listens to other ideas or problems..
best example, at the end of your post you say that any suggestions are welcome in pm, but then a sentence later you kinda say but we will not do anything with it because the plan is already too far advanced....
That is just contradicting .. why bother putting thought in ideas and pm it if you are not going to do something about it?
If you really want me to FTO then someone else better pm to me somebody that actually listens to what i say, because I did repeat myself a lot of times because the words I said where just taken out of context and raped.
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God of War: after reading these posts and responses, it is clear that there was a definite misunderstanding that has escalated because of tempers due to our current situation... Queenie, if you need anything, just pm me and i will try and resolve any issues, i will also listen to and contemplate any plans any of you propose. I see your point Queenie and i think Firelord's overzealous responses are due to nothing more than stress over the current situation. I apologize in his place and hope that you understand what kind of responsibilities have been thrust upon us all in this time of reorganization.
Karlo- Ensign
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Age : 28
Location : On station Alderia commanding my empire Alpheron
Registration date : 2008-09-21 -
Re: Hyperiums: The History of the Alpheron Empire V.1 unfinished
by Karlo 2009-05-19, 03:25
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Alpheron Empire: godofwar, agreed, it is most likely stress due to the situation...
at first i thought your plan seemed totally flawed, but after reading the OTHER posts you made afterwards, i can see that there is good possibility into your plan.
Though this does not mean i do not like your idea Fire Lord, i like both of your ideas, but if their is only a way to combined them will we have our peace...
Theflame's idea tells me that ACID only needs fleets for offensive attacks, not on defensive, and so giving planets to ACID, which supports logistics greatly, following the basic rules of war
Queenie's idea expresses that ROOK supports ACID, not to give up her territory, which could mean we can keep our core however, history once more may repeat itself, and then ROOK will be no more.
both ideas I support.
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Queenie Empire:Yes they do need offensive fleets... But if we make sure they are defended, they can put all on offensive.. Or use the already existing fleets for offensive goals.
It was a good plan if someone took me seriously from the beginning.. I agree that it is probably too late now to make it work.
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Fire Lord: Explain to me the difference if, situation A)
Rook and ACID together defend their own planets and co-operate to attack the same targets
or B)
We defend ACID planets and they are the only ones to attack planets.
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I will tell you the difference i see:
A) Rook stands the chance of conquering new territory, and there is less need to communicate between the two alliances, so there is less chance of friendly fire.
B) Massive chance of friendly fire over ACID planets, problems with our ships getting stuck in stasis over ACID planets when we need them to defend our own, as well as no chance for Rook to take new planets and secure another core with speed, and Rook still gets attacked by K and X for being a "puppet" of ACID - which is exactly what we would be seen as.
ACID will not under any circumstances let us keep our core as it used to be. They need the whole core to core their entire alliance. Whether you FTO to Rook now, or keep the planets for yourself and so put the whole alliance at a disadvantage from your selfishness, or you FTO them to ACID later when the war ends, you will inevitably lose your planets. So hand them over to Rook now and be a team player, or as i said to you many times in PM, IF you do not want to be a team player, and cannot make sacrafices for Rook but are perfectly happy to milk the alliance of the protection it offers whilst offering nothing yourself THEN you can leave and we will take your planets, which belong to Rook as an alliance because its our core, off you.
I did not try to kick you, i simply warned you of the terms of being an alliance player. If you disagree, leave.
Now you seem to have a feild day pointing out my "hypocrasies". Perhaps you might have misread? I will listen to suggestions that can be implimented NOW not LAST WEEK BEFORE THE PEACE WAS MADE
I dont think i can put it any clearer than that. ACID will not let us keep more than the planets they have agreed, because they still have people without SC2 planets in their alliance and need every planet they can get.
Alpheron Empire: godofwar, agreed, it is most likely stress due to the situation...
at first i thought your plan seemed totally flawed, but after reading the OTHER posts you made afterwards, i can see that there is good possibility into your plan.
Though this does not mean i do not like your idea Fire Lord, i like both of your ideas, but if their is only a way to combined them will we have our peace...
Theflame's idea tells me that ACID only needs fleets for offensive attacks, not on defensive, and so giving planets to ACID, which supports logistics greatly, following the basic rules of war
Queenie's idea expresses that ROOK supports ACID, not to give up her territory, which could mean we can keep our core however, history once more may repeat itself, and then ROOK will be no more.
both ideas I support.
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Queenie Empire:Yes they do need offensive fleets... But if we make sure they are defended, they can put all on offensive.. Or use the already existing fleets for offensive goals.
It was a good plan if someone took me seriously from the beginning.. I agree that it is probably too late now to make it work.
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Fire Lord: Explain to me the difference if, situation A)
Rook and ACID together defend their own planets and co-operate to attack the same targets
or B)
We defend ACID planets and they are the only ones to attack planets.
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I will tell you the difference i see:
A) Rook stands the chance of conquering new territory, and there is less need to communicate between the two alliances, so there is less chance of friendly fire.
B) Massive chance of friendly fire over ACID planets, problems with our ships getting stuck in stasis over ACID planets when we need them to defend our own, as well as no chance for Rook to take new planets and secure another core with speed, and Rook still gets attacked by K and X for being a "puppet" of ACID - which is exactly what we would be seen as.
ACID will not under any circumstances let us keep our core as it used to be. They need the whole core to core their entire alliance. Whether you FTO to Rook now, or keep the planets for yourself and so put the whole alliance at a disadvantage from your selfishness, or you FTO them to ACID later when the war ends, you will inevitably lose your planets. So hand them over to Rook now and be a team player, or as i said to you many times in PM, IF you do not want to be a team player, and cannot make sacrafices for Rook but are perfectly happy to milk the alliance of the protection it offers whilst offering nothing yourself THEN you can leave and we will take your planets, which belong to Rook as an alliance because its our core, off you.
I did not try to kick you, i simply warned you of the terms of being an alliance player. If you disagree, leave.
Now you seem to have a feild day pointing out my "hypocrasies". Perhaps you might have misread? I will listen to suggestions that can be implimented NOW not LAST WEEK BEFORE THE PEACE WAS MADE
I dont think i can put it any clearer than that. ACID will not let us keep more than the planets they have agreed, because they still have people without SC2 planets in their alliance and need every planet they can get.
Karlo- Ensign
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Re: Hyperiums: The History of the Alpheron Empire V.1 unfinished
by Karlo 2009-05-19, 03:26
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Queenie Empire: Where did option A come from? You are making fun with something I never even said.
quote "IF you do not want to be a team player, and cannot make sacrafices for Rook but are perfectly happy to milk the alliance of the protection it offers whilst offering nothing yourself "
Oh yes... that's what i do.... i milk for protection, LOL, did i ever ask you something? No.. I did no such thing. And I was perfectly fine by myself, but I did not join EH because Nixx was in here and you were at war with them...
And I did try to offer plans.. Not because I am selfish, but because of what -lread carefully- i believe (yes i believed it) is the greater good for the alliance.
I only tried to help....... But no i get no "thanks for trying but these are reasons why it wouldn't work" ... instead i get a "your plan sucks you must must must FTO or else we will attack you ourselves"
The only reason i got was "it's way too late" and "it sucks" ... you could have explained it nicely instead of just not reading my posts properly and insulting me al the time...
and for the record.. it weren't that many PMs
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Jester Empire: All I got to say about this is I never thought Rook would tuck their tales between their legs like a bunch of wiped women. Firelord "TheFlame" you come from -HH- you should have more spine then that. Try the noob idea or any idea anything is better then giving up this is a war game you should expect to loose battles. Where there is a will there is a way. If at first you don't succeed try and try again. Just use your head. This is where I draw the line I'm not be'n nobody's woman ! If you guy are just bitching out I'm going to pirate in SC1.
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Alpheron Empire: "If at first you don't succeed try and try again."
problem with that is just.... just.... by then no one will support this alliance any further, and so ROOK would be dead.
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Jfighter Empire: i think everyone needs to chill out.... lets remember this is a game. people do make mistakes. stuff happens. what is done is done, we can't change it. we can't keep arguing we are a team and right now we are being pulled apart.
set aside the differences and bits the bullet.
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Queenie Empire: Alpheron.. I do not agree with that... By trying together you become a team you get to deal with losses together. Nothing makes you closer than a lost battle.
By trying you get closer, by getting closer you get more chance to win because everybody wants to..
Honestly, I prefer a smaller, good alliance. Where people like eachother.. Above a big alliance that doesn't hang together, where people do not get along.
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Alpheron Empire: @queenie
i only got that from satal, he mentioned about that sooner or later, everyone will leave.
i do agree that a good alliance is always an alliance that has members cooperative, active, chats allot, and always has fun.
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Satal Keto Empire: lol @alpheron
Yeah everyone stops playing Hyperiums eventually
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Queenie Empire: Where did option A come from? You are making fun with something I never even said.
quote "IF you do not want to be a team player, and cannot make sacrafices for Rook but are perfectly happy to milk the alliance of the protection it offers whilst offering nothing yourself "
Oh yes... that's what i do.... i milk for protection, LOL, did i ever ask you something? No.. I did no such thing. And I was perfectly fine by myself, but I did not join EH because Nixx was in here and you were at war with them...
And I did try to offer plans.. Not because I am selfish, but because of what -lread carefully- i believe (yes i believed it) is the greater good for the alliance.
I only tried to help....... But no i get no "thanks for trying but these are reasons why it wouldn't work" ... instead i get a "your plan sucks you must must must FTO or else we will attack you ourselves"
The only reason i got was "it's way too late" and "it sucks" ... you could have explained it nicely instead of just not reading my posts properly and insulting me al the time...
and for the record.. it weren't that many PMs
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Jester Empire: All I got to say about this is I never thought Rook would tuck their tales between their legs like a bunch of wiped women. Firelord "TheFlame" you come from -HH- you should have more spine then that. Try the noob idea or any idea anything is better then giving up this is a war game you should expect to loose battles. Where there is a will there is a way. If at first you don't succeed try and try again. Just use your head. This is where I draw the line I'm not be'n nobody's woman ! If you guy are just bitching out I'm going to pirate in SC1.
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Alpheron Empire: "If at first you don't succeed try and try again."
problem with that is just.... just.... by then no one will support this alliance any further, and so ROOK would be dead.
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Jfighter Empire: i think everyone needs to chill out.... lets remember this is a game. people do make mistakes. stuff happens. what is done is done, we can't change it. we can't keep arguing we are a team and right now we are being pulled apart.
set aside the differences and bits the bullet.
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Queenie Empire: Alpheron.. I do not agree with that... By trying together you become a team you get to deal with losses together. Nothing makes you closer than a lost battle.
By trying you get closer, by getting closer you get more chance to win because everybody wants to..
Honestly, I prefer a smaller, good alliance. Where people like eachother.. Above a big alliance that doesn't hang together, where people do not get along.
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Alpheron Empire: @queenie
i only got that from satal, he mentioned about that sooner or later, everyone will leave.
i do agree that a good alliance is always an alliance that has members cooperative, active, chats allot, and always has fun.
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Satal Keto Empire: lol @alpheron
Yeah everyone stops playing Hyperiums eventually
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