Okay, this is pathetic

Been a while since I posted a topic, but I just HAD to post this. It's dealing with many trekkie's reactions to the new Star Trek movie. Particularly towards those that won't enjoy the movie simply because it "doesn't adhere to continuity". Yeah, screw that...

While this IS my favorite website for starship information (though I oftentimes go to others for more details), Ex Astris Scientia has posted a rather ridiculously over-credulous review of the new Enterprise: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/new_enterprise_comment.htm

Note how ironic it is... Star Trek is a show about opening the mind, new possibilities, full left-wing policies taking root... And then these crazy trekkies are close-minded about all of it. It's annoying. I couldn't even read the entire article. All I was looking for was more non-opinionated details of the ship, not a critical review that talks about nothing but how "the saucer isn't right" and "the bridge sets look 25th century"... Again, does that make any sense? 25th century... How the heck would we know what tech from then looks like? Based on the style of our computers today, I'd say it's more likely that by the 23rd century, our computer systems would look very similar to that on the movie.

Now here comes the funny part, and I quote: "I am worried that "Star Trek XI" may borrow heavily from action movies, a genre that I have come to loathe in recent years, "Quantum of Solace" being the latest example. Why? Because I can't stand action sequences with excessive gratuitous movement in it, stuff shooting across the screen in all directions, actors moving like in a cartoon, shaking cameras, chopped scenes instead of decent editing, overamplified sound, and so on. Getting a headache from the visual and aural overkill of modern cinema is not what I understand as entertainment."

Heh, if this is how most fanatical trekkies are, they must be very boring people. Unfortunately, here's Star Trek's current predicament: most 'normal' people that don't watch the show, won't watch any of it because they think it's 'nerdy'. And secondly, fanatical trekkies won't because it's "outside continuity". In the end, I fear Star Trek will die out for good, simply because of these reasons. If fanatical trekkies don't shut up and open their minds to new possibilities (this alternate universe in the movie, for example), then they've condemned Star Trek to nothing but their 'photos' and what they themselves remember and have saved online.

... Although I do admit I don't like that they decided to completely reboot Star Trek. Supposedly, this new timeline will be nullifying events in ALL of the other Star Trek series. Hopefully they'll transition to the original timeline (or better yet, the MIRROR timeline), and we'll get to see Voyager or the Defiant in a movie!

Oh yeah, and just another quote that ought to tick ALL of us off: "I find it kind of sad how an avid fan places the genuine universe of TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY that we know for 40 year into the same category as the increasingly silly Mirror Universe of DS9"

Bah, bloody Purist-Pacifists. So they'll boycott or despise a movie (and tell others not to watch it) simply because it has some kick-a action sequences and better effects... No other fan of something in the world would do that to other movies, not to any sort of degree fanatical trekkies will.

And I say FANATICAL trekkies. I myself am a trekkie (as I know a lot about the continuity myself) but not FANATICAL. I don't get PO'ed simply because things are different.

Er, there's my rant. Hey, DW, think this should be moved to the rant section, or should we leave it here? I wouldn't mind others discussing this myself, so long as it doesn't turn into a flame war.

well done i feel the same way as long as it's set on a spaceship and its not to actiony its star trek to me

See, I wouldn't be ranting about something like this if I knew he wasn't going around telling people the movie will suck. The reviewer will end up telling everyone not to watch it, simply because it doesn't fit his tastes. He'll only end up spreading further hate of Star Trek to all trekkies. I fear Star Trek is failing because of these fanatical close-minded puritan trekkies! Imagine it, the same cult fans that follow Star Trek, and they'll end up being the CAUSE of Star Trek dying out. Why can't they be SUPPORTIVE for once?

That's not including most trekkies on this forum, by the way. I doubt anybody here is truly that close-minded.

well done i feel the same way as long as it's set on a spaceship and its not to actiony its star trek to me

And I agree. It shouldn't be TOO actiony. Meaning, it shouldn't copy off of the awesomeness that's Stargate with big military battles or anything. Or secret agents like the Bond and Bourne films. But it could STILL have some action in it. It won't kill the entire Star Trek image. Star Trek Voyager had action in abundance, and is harrowed by many as one of the best Star Trek series yet. It proves that Star Trek CAN work well with action; but again, I agree it shouldn't go overboard into the big military stuff.

Star Trek's brand of action is perfectly balanced between militaristic action and one-on-one action... See Star Trek Voyager for examples

Jerome Star wrote:
Oh yeah, and just another quote that ought to tick ALL of us off: "I find it kind of sad how an avid fan places the genuine universe of TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY that we know for 40 year into the same category as the increasingly silly Mirror Universe of DS9"

A GENUINE universe?

This is what really annoys me about Star Trek - the entourage of obsessed Trek fans who have given it a bad name. Not that it should have a good name. It is so full of plotholes that it makes leerdamer cheeses look solid, has almost no proper continuity between each series and usually is filled with sentimental cachu about manifest destiny and fair play. But even so, the

Jerome wrote:these fanatical close-minded puritan trekkies

are infamous. They have held it back, by their obsessions on detail and passion that it cannot be touched.

And no, I don't mind if you slag me off for giving up on trek. But I hope that this film can change everything RADICALLY.

I quite like it. (well apart from the front of the nacells too big)

it looks better but still in the right time.

I agree with you HEAVILY on that Shemuel!

Star Trek HAS been held back too long by these puritans. And I agree, Star Trek IS really too full of plot holes. It may explain why so many of these fanatical trekkies are so bitter. Because they don't have a very solid continuity with which to really draw a lot of information from, thus the many theories and such.

Stargate has a great continuity, as each episode oftentimes ties in with another (though not entirely). Sometimes in Stargate, we'll see old friends and species revisited, and familiar concepts used to fashion new plots and ideas. Take the Goa'uld for example... The myriad of sinister plots they alone come up with gives us a HUGE variety of possible episode ideas! That, and the fact that in some episodes, something is usually GAINED, so that it can be used (whatever it is; tech, knowledge, allies) in future episodes with completely different plots! No wonder Stargate fans are less critical and more supportive of their own series (which helped Stargate SG-1 last for 10 seasons straight, far more than any series of Star Trek!)

I just wish more trekkies could be like the Stargate fans. SUPPORTIVE. OPEN-MINDED. NON-CONDESCENDING. And so on...

Trekkies can be SO whiney. somebody should kick them between their legs. oh wait, they have nothing there... ripped off after to much watching Jadzia Dax.

Maybe not, MNIM.

Shemuel.

me naam is m wrote:Trekkies can be SO whiney. somebody should kick them between their legs. oh wait, they have nothing there... ripped off after to much watching Jadzia Dax.

Hehe, that's quite mean. But oh well, you're right about one thing. They obviously have nothing there XD It seems they have dissed James Bond AND action movies in general. It's sad that they no longer know what a good film or show is. Too blinded by their close-mindedness... Yeah.

But again, Star Trek has it's own special brand of action. Star Trek Voyager is the best example of this. Not too much, not too little. It was almost perfect. But Trek FANATICS have been beating down on every Trek series not directed by Gene Roddenberry. It's sad, really. The other producers of Trek just can't do ANYTHING to actually SAVE Trek because these fanatical trekkies are keeping them from doing so! And I really LIKE Star Trek! (I ignore the discontinuities and such, not letting them make me bitter or whatever, as most that take the shows and films seriously do) But I'm going to have to watch it fall because nobody will be supportive of it! We all will!

I was hoping I wouldn't have to see it in MY lifetime. I say the same about Bond flicks too, but Bond fans are generally split 50/50 between puritan 'Connery' types and the 'It-is-bond-if-he-wears-the-suit-and-has-the-witty-charm' types. But that's another story... XD

When it comes to Bond... I'm kinda in-between on it. I like all the Bonds, no matter how different they were XD ... But again, that's another story. This is the Star Trek thread. I won't get off-topic with it XD

Well, i'm not against the movie but it's not something i'm going to watch, the actors are good at acting but they dont really have this, err, star trekkyness, they just feel out of place and that guy from heroes kind of annoys me for some reason. And for the ship, i dont care if it's got 10 nacelles as long it looks good but this one isnt really my taste. I dont really understand trekkies way of thinking, i mean, what's wrong with small continiunity problems, most of ST's (or at least the few i've seen, i've only finished DS9,ENT and gotten to TNG season 3 and all the TNG movies) continuinity problems have been too tiny to change it's quality for the worse.

me naam is m wrote:well, to be honest, so far the only ST series which deserves my stamp of pure awesomeness is TOS, but still the other series are good in their own way.

You mean TOS-R? Because the old 1960s one - while original - has become a common cliche. It's effects and such are made fun of by more than half the people in the WORLD because of how they pair up to modern day effects. TOS Remastered remakes TOS with up-to-date effects and high def! Plus - while I know they were on a budget - it was odd how they kept reusing little lights or an easily given-away kitbash ship in each episode. Of course, they can't be blamed for it. But TOS-R has remastered it in a way both fanatical trekkies and trek fans like best =D

Outside of TOS, I like only certain episodes throughout TNG, DS9, and ENT. But it's VOY that I really like almost all of. I don't like repeating plots, which happens often throughout all the Star Trek series, so that's why I don't have many favorite episodes. But those definitely at the top of my list are the mirror universe. They're just awesome! I wish they would make a series or a film featuring the mirror universe!

well, i've been keeping up to date with almost every last news aritlcle and interview about the new movie, and i can say it is going to be the most trek star trek in a very long time. that shot is awkward, the others are much much better, very graceful like the original ship, but deadly enough to be, um, deadly. the story seems very clear to me, and i think it's going to fit in very nicely with the trek universe.

me naam is m wrote:well, to be honest, so far the only ST series which deserves my stamp of pure awesomeness is TOS, but still the other series are good in their own way.

My favourite trek series is Enterprise

I've seen the Trailers and it looks like it won't be as good as other movies and series. I think they should start a new series after DS9 and add movies onto that. I hate when they go back in time and make better graphics for ships that (in TOS) look clean and just plain white. They're adding black and gray to the enterprise which is (in TOS) white.

you sooo have no idea what they're doing, do you? you're just taking guesses at stuff, and actually haven't been following along. Well, to set things straight, this movie starts out after ST Nemesis, and then Spock from the future, travels back in time to stop Nero from doing something, what, I have no idea. Think of this as the first mission. Not a remake, just an extension.

When is ST Nemesis? The one with Picard?

yes, it's the last movie they made

Hmm, yes, Voyager used kitbashes as well, but they had learned not to make horrible looking kitbashes and instead reuse ship models or make a decent looking kitbash. TNG and DS9 had the worst kitbashes. As far as my favorite types of ships are concerned, they come from the latest movies (Generations and onward) and Enterprise. Thanks to CGI, Enterprise was able to have more kinds of ships. Same with TOS-R, and why I like it so much! The insides of the 1960s Enterprise look... Well, old-futuristic, if there is such a thing. But it's not detrimental to the whole series at all!

I also wish they would make a movie dealing with DS9 or Voyager, but I'm quite happy with the idea of this next movie. Nero looks like an awesome villain, and we'll get to see Leonard Nimoy! He's an awesome actor. Too bad we don't get to see William Shatner, but if they tried to bring Will into the movie, they would have to focus the plot around him, and it seems they aren't quite ready to do that just yet. But if they ever decide to, I will definitely support the decision! Kirk reborn... I would like to see a movie version of one of Shatner's books, where Kirk is reborn thanks to Romulan/Borg technology! (though an alliance between the romulans and the borg doesn't make much sense, given the Borg believe all other species to be inferior. they wouldn't be open to diplomacy)

This new movie is going to be great, either way! It will open up a whole new picture to look at, and we'll always have our reference guides and fan fiction to expand upon the original universe at any time! And I agree with Shemuel, I hope this new movie makes Star Trek more than a cult following. I hope this movie enjoys the same popularity as Quantum of Solace and Casino Royale, and will help to turn the series into a worldwide hit... BEYOND the confines the fanatical trekkies have been keeping it!

me naam is m wrote:

seen the episodes concluding with VOY - endgame???

anyway, yes, ST has to get out of the cult status. if it kills the cult, what more can we wish for?

Yes, but that time the Borg allied with Voyager out of NECESSITY. There was no mention of necessity in the books. I doubt very much the Borg would ally for any other reason. Otherwise, they wouldn't be doing their job to 'perfect all species' through assimilation.

Wow M, having a bad day? XP

Oh, alright, cool XD Just checking!

Yep, I'm going to have to see this new movie as soon as it comes out! Nero is one of the most bad-a villains I've seen in Star Trek for a long time. (not including the Borg or the Romulans, to a point... though I like the terran empire out of them all!)

I also noted how so many people hated Enterprise. They decided that since they hated Enterprise, they would make any canon information the series reveals as 'only relevant to a separate timeline', thereby completely decimating the entire purpose of the series, which was to explore how humans first met many different civilizations, built their first far-range exploration ship, how they formed the United Federation of Planets, and it even seemed to explain why the name 'Enterprise' was picked for Kirk's ship in the first place. 'Enterprise' means 'an undertaking'. The NX-01 was the first long-range cruiser built for exploration, so it was a true first undertaking. When Kirk's ship was built, there was already at least one Constitution-class ship, but his was the first of it's kind to be sent out for long-range exploration as well, and the first since the NX-01 most likely suited for such 'an undertaking'.

I'm watching episodes of TOS-R right now, and taking breaks in between to wreak havoc on Urban Terror (a first-person shooter) and post on this forum XD I've got a cold today and I'm drowsy, so I'm doing everything I can to keep myself awake (it's too friggin' cold and too late to go outside... plus, without a car and money, there's not much to do, though I'd like to be playing In the Groove 2 at the arcade. stupid weather, stupid illness, and stupid corporeality. i wish I was a Q XD)

Nooo!!!


(again~)

Heh, of all things for this topic to stray off to. Oh well, I'm not complaining...

... NOOOOOOO!!!!



Locked! This topic has now ENDED! Good thing too... Don't want a fanatical trekkie to actually get the chance to reply to this XD