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Post by Shemuel 2008-09-29, 16:49

This is a topic for debates that are more contentious than for random chat.

So what do you think about the Iraq war?
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Post by Earthdeath 2008-09-29, 17:50

its a waste of time.it all started because George bush wanted their oil, and he thought that all arabs are terrorists.
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Post by Shemuel 2008-09-29, 17:53

Which I would say is mainly true actually. Most of them are all terrorists.
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Post by Earthdeath 2008-09-29, 17:55

no, they arent.i know quite a few arabs, and one of them is the director ofinternational criminal police.so i highly doubt he is one.
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Post by me naam is m 2008-09-29, 18:07

well, you don't KNOW that for sure... Twisted Evil

but anyway, to be serious. Bush was wrong.
A. no profitable oil in Iraq. most of it was burnt with operation desert storm
B. Osama Bin laden didn't like saddam, and has never been in the country.
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Post by Philly Homer 2008-09-29, 22:48

And that's the thing; Saddam was mainly pro-West, and we were the ones to install him into his position of power. Then we, being the self-righteous pompous capitalists that we are (not that there's anything wrong with that, mind you!) came in to look for "weapons of mass destruction" which quickly changed to "liberating the Iraqi people." What God-given right is it to us that we interfere? Yes, America may be the most powerful country in the world (may change in about 10 years or more) but that is no excuse for us to police the world! [/end rant]

Anyways, just my views on the thing. But we've gotten so deep into this mess that we can't really pull out of Iraq without consequences, and all of the work done in Iraq will be undone, just like in South Vietnam which was taken over by the North after America left.

I feel talkative. Meh.
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Post by Darkwing 2008-09-30, 00:53

and here's where my conservative views and my history lessons come in handy:

I agree whole heartedly about the oil thing. the WOMD was just an excuse, but in the case of Saddam, he had already lead terrorist attacks on the states that were ignored by Nixon. The unfortunate thing for bush's popularity, was that he was left with a world that had gone mildly ignored, and then suddenly, bma, there's 9/11. that really made us realize that sure, the cold war is over, but the rest of the world still hates our democratic views and wants to get rid of us. And that's what happens when you get extremist groups running a country, with dictators like Saddam running the show. Now I'm not 100 percent advocating this war, as it's having its repercussions (look what's happening to the stock market) but it needs to be done. and i don't even believe really in doing it for "national security" but more becasue in a lot of counrties, the reason extremist groups are running countries, is becasue we gave them weapons to fight out the soviets, then just left those countries in dishevveled states. it is the responsibility of all of organizations like NATO and the UN to try and change the situation like we're trying in afghanistan, and I hope we're there as long as it takes!
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Post by Insane Crayon 2008-09-30, 11:16

Ok. Here is my veiws:

George Bush, being the stupid idiot he is, made up a reason to mess up our economy. He said he wanted to find "WMD's" which turned into "Freedom of Iraq". HOW DID WE GET HERE FROM BIN LADEN??? He should of just kept scouring the mountain range Bin Laden is hiding under and BLOW IT UP. I can understand retalliation from the Twin Towers bombing, which I was there for unfortunately, but going into a 4 year war??? What was going through his mind?
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Post by me naam is m 2008-09-30, 12:28

Alkanosis wrote:What God-given right is it to us that we interfere?
The Ofspring wrote:I believe it's my god-given right, to destroy anything within sight!

Alkanosis wrote:Yes, America may be the most powerful country in the world (may change in about 10 years or more)[/end rant]
it's already changing. Bush, Iraq, Afghanistan, Oil, Capitalism going to far, they have taken their toll...

Darkwing wrote:Now I'm not 100 percent advocating this war, as it's having its repercussions (look what's happening to the stock market)
the Iraq and Afghanistan wars have only little influence on that. the economical crisis is caused by oil issues, bad leadership on Bush' part, and over-eager banks giving out loans at ludicrous risks are the axe that's felling the tree. and mind you, it will come down HARD.

long live capitalism! cheers Evil or Very Mad

Dread151 wrote:He should of just kept scouring the mountain range Bin Laden is hiding under and BLOW IT UP.
trust me. that Bin Laden guy is smart. he probably hasn't even EVER been there. you're a rich, much beloved Arabian man. WHY THE **** would you go sitting in a bunch of caves when almost every Islamic country would just love to have you as your guest?
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Post by Shemuel 2008-09-30, 14:29

Bin Laden could be dead for all we know. he hasn't appeared on video for a long time, only a few tapes of bad quality.

And to be honest, I think Bush Snr. did a much better job of attacking Iraq-got almost everyone on his side and ready to fight with him before going in. The only downside was that they didn't keep going, smash through Iraq, and kick Saddam off. There's the UN guidelines for you.
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Post by Darkjedi 2008-09-30, 16:18

Hey guess what people? The DOW has taken it's biggest drop in history!!!

Woo Hoo! 1929 can kiss our bums!

In just a little while I'll probably be fighting with the other children of the streets over roadkill.

cheers
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Post by Shemuel 2008-09-30, 16:20

Yay! Bonus food for me for living in the countryside!cheers
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Post by Earthdeath 2008-09-30, 16:23

lol!
russia will love that!
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Post by Shemuel 2008-09-30, 17:50

Not if we steal all of its oil first!
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Post by Meganew Trek 2008-09-30, 17:53

In all that chaos, Darkjedi will obviously get a foothold in the U.S.
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Post by Shemuel 2008-09-30, 17:56

He already lives there (duh!)
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Post by me naam is m 2008-09-30, 18:04

Darkjedi wrote:Hey guess what people? The DOW has taken it's biggest drop in history!!!

DOW? drop?

TAKE COVER!!! Shocked affraid

(the DOW is a chemical company in Antwerpen, with enough stuff stored there to transform the Netherlands into a glas bowl... )
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Post by Earthdeath 2008-09-30, 18:05

hmm,, i need a glass bowl.
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Post by Shemuel 2008-09-30, 18:06

Well, I'm glad for your sake that DJ refers to DOW Jones, the American stock exchange. But nobody outide the Netherlands is glad about it.
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Post by me naam is m 2008-09-30, 18:43

(note... the UK (including Wales) would be be washed of the face of the earth by a tsunami.)

yeah, I know. but for DOW as in wall street, who cares?
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Post by Shemuel 2008-09-30, 18:44

(The global markets and therefore everyone's money?)
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Post by me naam is m 2008-09-30, 19:09

the USA doesn't have that much influence on global economy anymore
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Post by Shemuel 2008-09-30, 19:09

More than anyone else though.
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Post by me naam is m 2008-09-30, 19:24

nope. the USA is an inconstant factor. history proves it again and again. Japan, China, the EU. Russia, THESE are stable markets which rule the global economy
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Post by Shemuel 2008-09-30, 19:26

China and japan more stable than th USA? No way.
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Post by Philly Homer 2008-09-30, 19:40

me naam is m wrote:the USA doesn't have that much influence on global economy anymore

I beg to differ. America still owns 30% of the total world economy. Less than the EU in its entirety, but still a respectable percentage.
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Post by Earthdeath 2008-09-30, 19:49

yeah, but its ironoic that americas economy still sucks
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Post by Philly Homer 2008-09-30, 19:52

That's because our country's administration is ruled by idiots and corruption.
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Post by Earthdeath 2008-09-30, 19:55

republicans in other words.but our economy isnt that great either.
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Post by me naam is m 2008-09-30, 20:44

Shemuel wrote:China and japan more stable than th USA? No way.
oh yes they are.
china has been showing steady growth for years in a row, and japan has been spewing out almost every single digital product on the market since just after WWII
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Post by Philly Homer 2008-09-30, 21:05

Well, in China's case, there really wasn't anywhere to go except up. You have to thank Mao Zedong for making the early PRC economy so bad that Deng Xiaoping could reverse it by simply doing the opposite of whatever Mao was doing.
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Post by me naam is m 2008-09-30, 21:12

true.
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Post by Darkjedi 2008-09-30, 22:22

Alkanosis wrote:Well, in China's case, there really wasn't anywhere to go except up. You have to thank Mao Zedong for making the early PRC economy so bad that Deng Xiaoping could reverse it by simply doing the opposite of whatever Mao was doing.
That's what happens when you have a lot of peasants working for close to nothing in factories 24/7.

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Post by me naam is m 2008-10-01, 06:33

yep. not to mention the farmers who very nearly need to pay to lose their stuff.
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Post by Shemuel 2008-10-01, 16:17

And Japan is in real trouble. If there is a recession, who will buy nosehair removers with a built-in digital watch?
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Post by Darkjedi 2008-10-01, 17:10

Other than George Bush?
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Post by Shemuel 2008-10-01, 17:26

Well unless George Bush plunges the 700bn into nosehair removers with a built-in digital watch, Japan is in trouble.
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